[StarWarsIsUs]

I think he is second in command, secretly, and in the imperial public, he is a lapdog, that the Emporer has said people must obey. I don't think the Emporer elaborated to the generals of the Death Star, just how much to an extent they were to obey him. He let Vader establish his own power with his force-choking.

[Despondent]

Noticed in clones last night, a clone trooper calls Yoda, "master Yoda."

I'd say we can throw titles and rank out the window.

[StarWarsIsUs]

I own AOTC. So it would have been pointless for me to have watched it on television. The only reason they had it on, was to boost yet more advertising for ROTS. Think I am right?

[Deleted Scene]

The following dialogue always told me that Vader wasn't actually part of the military:

VADER: Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've
constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to
the power of the Force.

MOTTI: Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader.
Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure
up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the
Rebel's hidden fort...

Motti would never have spoken that way to Vader if he were his superior officer. He even calls him a sorceror who held a sad devotion to an ancient religion. This showed me that Vader was more like a dark priest, a voodoo master that served Tarkin and the Empire and whom the other high ranking officers tolerated simply because Tarkin did.

Then Tarkin's line to Vader later on:

TARKIN: The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe.
You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion.

Shows that Vader was the last of his kind, meaning a force user - Jedi, Sith or otherwise. I always felt based on these things that GL changed his original plan for the Emperor who was someone that was always intended to be the leader of the Empire, but not a dark lord of the Sith.

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[The Lord of Dorkness]

"if jar jar is a general, the obi wan has been robbed of all dignity as a character."

Obi-Wan became a general in the Republic because he was a great fighter and leader.
Jar-Jar became a general for the Gungans because (according to the book), Boss Nass was bored. Jar Jar had no power, even his luitenants ordered him around.

[StarWarsIsUs]

""Shows that Vader was the last of his kind, meaning a force user - Jedi, Sith or otherwise. I always felt based on these things that GL changed his original plan for the Emperor who was someone that was always intended to be the leader of the Empire, but not a dark lord of the Sith.""

I believe this too.

[Veer]

I always felt based on these things that GL changed his original plan for the Emperor who was someone that was always intended to be the leader of the Empire, but not a dark lord of the Sith.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

There is no such thing as a 'sith' in the OT.

[Lord Melkor]

Veer, Vader was called the Dark Lord of The Sith in novelization!

[StarWarsIsUs]

Yes, Veer. So there was such a thing as Sith in the OT.

[BadKarma]

Yup, Vader was billed as the "Dark Lord of the Sith" with all the SW movie hype in 77 although not mentioned in the film specifically. I suspect that it was just a cool sounding title at the time, then a bunch of sci-fi anoracs like us started demanding to know what the Sith was and GL had to start deciding what it was all about.

[Veer]

Yes, Veer. So there was such a thing as Sith in the OT.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Not in the movies. I haven't read a single Star Wars novel, and to the point - I shouldn't have to either.

That said, I guess it makes sense to have 'Dark Jedi' give themselves a different name like Sith. But if my understanding of the EU is correct, Sith is lot more complicated than that.

[Just another wretched fan]

i heard that original concepts of the sith turned out to become the Noghri used by Zahn. Or the Noghri were originally going to be called the Sith. Something like that. Now EU says that the Sith were the natives of Korriban and intermarried with the dark jedi refugees. Who cares. "Dark Lord of the Sith" is a really cool title.

[SPQR]

The following dialogue always told me that Vader wasn't actually part of the military:
Motti would never have spoken that way to Vader if he were his superior officer. He even calls him a sorceror who held a sad devotion to an ancient religion. This showed me that Vader was more like a dark priest, a voodoo master that served Tarkin and the Empire and whom the other high ranking officers tolerated simply because Tarkin did.

Then Tarkin's line to Vader later on:
Shows that Vader was the last of his kind, meaning a force user - Jedi, Sith or otherwise. I always felt based on these things that GL changed his original plan for the Emperor who was someone that was always intended to be the leader of the Empire, but not a dark lord of the Sith.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Exactly!!!
No one would have spoken this may if the emperor, their leader, was a sith.
another fine example of fill-in-the-holes scrit writing!