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Posted 22 May 2005 - 07:08 PM

If you are in intensive care, and there are pieces of machinery keeping you alive, you don't thank them or give them medals or anything.

If anyone is to thank for R2D2's heroics, I think would be the person who programmed him. I don't think R2D2 makes any decisions, because he is a robot. Everything he does is because he was programmed to - so the person who programmed him is really the person to thank.

EDIT: and if you have a faulty toaster, you don't say 'BAD TOASTER!' and smack it with a paddle. You take it back to the shop or write a strongly worded email to the manufacturer.

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 07:20 PM

QUOTE (Richard @ May 22 2005, 07:08 PM)
EDIT: and if you have a faulty toaster, you don't say 'BAD TOASTER!' and smack it with a paddle.  You take it back to the shop or write a strongly worded email to the manufacturer.

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 07:25 PM

Hehe. Well you don't do that and expect any kind of result tongue.gif
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Posted 22 May 2005 - 07:37 PM

I think in the SW realm it has been established that these droids are sentient beings with the ability to reason as opposed to following programming. That being said, they also have the ability to covet the lime light and will go to the ends to steal a scene, they also have the ability to completely forget, such as critical people in their lives like C-3po, vader, Obi and others, in the span of 30 years.

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 07:42 PM

There is just a whole air of forgetfulness about the OT now. R2 presumably forgets about his jet legs as well?
To me it all just = piss poor scripting. Rather like James Cameron writing Aliens and having Ripley act like she'd never seen an Alien before due to space amnesia.
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Posted 22 May 2005 - 08:30 PM

It's not just the robots... it's the clones too. Aside from the wookiees the war is essentially bloodless (and, yes, I understand the clones have blood). But you don't have to feel bad about a robot or a clone dying because there are plenty more identical ones right behind them... they'll never be missed and no one will mourn their loss.
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Posted 22 May 2005 - 09:24 PM

Well actually, I didn't feel bad about ANYONE dying.

I watched Mace Windu fall out the window and thought "meh."

I guess I was supposed to feel sad but I felt nothing.

I watched Anakin catch fire and thought "okay then."

I felt absolutely no connection to these characters, couldn't care whether they lived or died.

That's Lucas' biggest downfall.

He had the special effects, he had the brand name, he had the built in story.

But he didn't have the talent to create characters that people could connect with.

And the end result is that you just don't care what happens to them.

You feel no fear when they're in danger, no elation when they survive.

I barely knew the people on that screen, to me they were like people I've seen around but never been introduced to.

All I know is that even after three movies- they weren't friends of mine. They're not people I emulate, not people I despise, not people I ever think about once the movie ends (and actually when it's running as well).

I'm completely indifferent to those characters and I could care less about them.

That to me is the greatest proof that the PT is truly horrible.

More than hating it- I just don't care about it.

Because hate is a passion and there's just nothing to be passionate about in these films.

To be honest, and I don't say this to kiss up, the best thing about these movies is that they led me to this board, which I very much enjoy.

Beyond that the PT has given me absolutely nothing.

Quite the opposite in fact- it's TAKEN six hours of my life.
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Posted 22 May 2005 - 09:55 PM

QUOTE (Lord Melkor @ May 22 2005, 04:40 PM)
But robots in Star Wars have personalities!

Just look at Threepio!


yeah... they should givin him a gay pride march or something...
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Posted 22 May 2005 - 10:16 PM

in the OT, Threepio and Artoo were pretty much the only droids we got to know.

Every other droid barely had any screentime for us to see if they had a personality.

Since there are so many other droids in the OT...especially the legions of personality-less R4 astromech droids, Threepio and Artoo seem like anomalies. We had nothing to compare them to in the OT.

TPM would have been really useful if Artoo started off as a normal astromech droid, but got hit by a bolt of lightning or partically fried by a laser in his first appearance. Then there could be a cool explanation for why he seems alive and is such a clutch player. Just my $0.02
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 04:09 AM

QUOTE (snaithbert @ May 23 2005, 03:24 AM)
I felt absolutely no connection to these characters, couldn't care whether they lived or died.

That's Lucas' biggest downfall.

He had the special effects, he had the brand name, he had the built in story.

But he didn't have the talent to create characters that people could connect with.

And the end result is that you just don't care what happens to them.

You feel no fear when they're in danger, no elation when they survive.

I barely knew the people on that screen, to me they were like people I've seen around but never been introduced to.


Snaith said it all really, there is no soul to these movies, and back on topic a bit.. a lot of this is because it's very hard for us as humans to relate to robots. 3PO and R2 have special places with us as they showed human'esque sides in the OT when the other droids didn't, they were all just scenery. Now every robot has a quirk, a nervous twitch, a silly comment. It's as if the robot builders of the SW galaxy had a phase where comedy was far far more important to them than function, even in a droid built to fight!
It really boils down to GL's obsession with visual effects over storyline, something he once said himself (back in the early 80's) was a mistake made by "other" film makers. How the mighty have fallen.
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 04:34 AM

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But you don't have to feel bad about a robot or a clone dying because there are plenty more identical ones right behind them... they'll never be missed and no one will mourn their loss.


Just like the stormtroopers.

what is C3PO's role in the OT then? and how has that changed through his inclusion in the PT? the same question goes for R2.

Ive heard this 'small galaxy' theory before, and i'm not convinced. Not only are there a lot of new, important characters in ep1-3, if you were reading a series of novels spread across 6 books, wouldnt you expect recurring characters?
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 05:39 AM

QUOTE (jariten @ May 23 2005, 10:34 AM)
Just like the stormtroopers.

what is C3PO's role in the OT then? and how has that changed through his inclusion in the PT? the same question goes for R2.

Ive heard this 'small galaxy' theory before, and i'm not convinced. Not only are there a lot of new, important characters in ep1-3, if you were reading a series of novels spread across 6 books, wouldnt you expect recurring characters?


Yes I would... Anakin/Vader, The Emperor, Yoda.. relevant ones. Do you see what I've done here? I've thought about who would likely be involved in the pre-story. Not just any old characters show up by pure chance, an obvious "forced" link to the originals, lest we forget in the dire scripting and story (and I use that word reluctantly) that we are watching Star Wars films. Anakin builds 3PO, who bumps into R2 and then 30 years on they happen to eject onto Tatooine again and land within Jawa-hauling distance of Owen's farm.. oh per-leeeeeeease get a grip! Or maybe the Jawa's were in on the whole deal and Palpatine told them to deliver the droids to Luke, and then killed them so nobody would find out his part in all this. Ah yes, that's sussed it!! *sarcasm off*

Edit: And don't even F'ing start me on Chewie in RotS! So so unnecessary. I half expected him to have a 6yr old Han and Lando tagging along with him as he ran around Kashyyyk.

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 06:28 AM

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And don't even F'ing start me on Chewie in RotS! So so unnecessary


Here i'll agree with you, the rest I dont though. 3PO's only role seems to be linking the films, what else is he good for? I mean, what else does he do?
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 06:48 AM

3PO and R2 had personality in the OT - but in the PT it was kind of "quick, put the droids in there and give Threepio the limelight and a line... we've got to give them personality!"
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 06:58 AM

QUOTE (jariten @ May 23 2005, 12:28 PM)
Here i'll agree with you, the rest I dont though. 3PO's only role seems to be linking the films, what else is he good for? I mean, what else does he do?


To use a Harry Potter'ism.. 3PO is Hermione. He explains things that we wouldn't otherwise have explained to us as an audience in the OT. And I really don't see why that means he is required in the PT, and even if he shows up, having Anakin build him?!! I like clever little tie ins and nods to things in series of films, but this is all just too convenient and unlikely for me tbh.
And Chewie was in RotS for 1 reason only.. money! More dolls/figures/cups/things for the old and new collectors, Kashyyk - a new location for video games, RPG's and books, etc etc. I'm not naieve enough to say GL should make these films as a non-profit enterprise, but the corporate greed that has accompanied all 3 films has played a large part in their crappyness.
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