[HK 47]

Just got home from watching it and I just have to vent my frustration, even though some of this has been mentioned earlier. Major flaws and nitpicks ensuing off the top of my head in no particular order:

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1.Vaders first breath. Brilliant. A really good scene, marking the birth of one of cinemas greatest iconic villains ever. Then he goes Frankenstein "Nooooo!!" and the scene immediatly goes down the toilet. Goddammit George!!

2. How unbelievably stupid is the script anyway? Especially when it comes to Anakins turn. This is IMHO the biggest flaw, not only from a logical perspective but also an emotional one. It is the entire point for making the PT.

3. Padmé feels like dying. "There is nothing physically wrong with her..."

4. "I have the higher ground." What?? We're talking about Jedi here. They jump. Really high. Again, Lucas feels the urge to make idiotic explanations where none are needed.

5. Where's Wedge? Red Two? Porkins for f**ks sake!? Jedi, lotsa droids and clones but no ordinary people to care for. The action scenes are all sensory overload, not the drama enhancing excitement of the OT. Yes, there are Jedi and Jedi children being killed but it doesn't provoke the emotions and outrage it should. It's like Lucas is afraid to portray Anakin as the murdering bastard psycho he is.

6. Wookies are cool, I like them. Did they add anything to this movie? No.

7. Palpatine said "midichlorians" and my ears went numb.

8. Almost everything attempting to tie RotS to ANH feels contrived. So C-3PO and Artoo spends 18 years on the Blockade Runner with Captain Antilles? Lame!

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There's lots more, but above all, what I am disappointed in is the wasted potential. I can sense an amazing, powerful movie somewhere under all that crap. (I couldn't when it comes to the previous PT installments). And on a few occasions it does shine through. I'm a sucker for binary sunsets, and in that last scene I saw a glimpse of Star Wars.

[SPQR]

The whole wookie scene was taken from Star Wars Battlefronts
unfrickinbelievable

[Lord Melkor]

Well, Anakin`s turn worked for me!

Remember that Luke almost turned in ROTJ!

[DragonLord]

I saw it yesterday and Anakins turn is my biggest issue. Basically, he goes in a few seconds from "What have I done?" to "Yes my master, the jedi shall be slaughetered."

Then he goes on a rampage. One doesn't become that evil that quickly. Especially if the whole point was to save Padme but Palpatine says something like: "I don't know how to use this power, but if we work together I'm sure we can find out" WTF?


Yes Luke was on the verge of turning in ROTJ, but he was driven by his anger and hatred towards Vader and the emperor because of various reasons and what Vades said about Leia.

It was almost as if Anakin made a conscious desicion to become evil after he killed Mace. "Hmm, save Padme = killing jedichildren? Okelidokeli!"

This post has been edited by DragonLord: 21 May 2005 - 07:49 PM

[SPQR]

the problem is that Luke's almost turn was more believable, and that's Mark Hamel we're talking about here, not Hasbeen Christiansen

[HeckHouse]

Hayden did a fine job portraying Anakin in this film.

I definitely agree with 1 and 4. I feel the movie should have ended with the shot of Vader's mask being placed, and the "higher ground" bit was bad. Both Anakin and Obi's dialog were horrible.

The rest I can agree with slightly, but they didn't detract from the movie for me. I thought Anakin's fall was satisfactory. They didn't have time to draw it out any longer.

[SPQR]

I think Hayden was allowed to act when he confronts Obi coming off Padme's ship at the end, that scene was very good, powerful. The end when he meets his demise fell apart because of GL's script.

[Just another wretched fan]

"higher ground" had potential. I liked the idea that Obi-Wan wins when Anakin gets arrogant. Here's why, the OWK i know from the OT, just like Luke, would never be able to kill Anakin/Vader. Obi-Wan needs to say something like "don't make me do this, you can't win, I don't want to kill you. Anakin has to respond like he did, then attack. Obi-Wan has no choice but to defend himself. The scene should have been in even slower motion as john william's musical score roars and brings tears to our eyes as we see OWK strike. I always thought there was going to be a cliff like scene where obi-wan desperately tries to save Anakin, but Anakin "quits" and lets himself drop beyond the help of Obi-Wan. I thought one of those lava droids would rescue him out of the lava and bring him to Palpatine's forces. So i think the scene would have been even better if anakin fell down onto a cliff edge instead of a lava beach shore. Obi-Wan could drop down and try to grab his hand.

Watching OWK just walk away like an asshole was too much for me.

I don't think the "higher ground" comment wasn't problematic, just that we stopped caring to the point that it was ineffective.

[Jordan]

Good points HK. You're right, the PT's in general lack any emotion, dramatic flare, or script.

It's just really really boring.

This post has been edited by Jordan: 21 May 2005 - 09:37 PM

[HK 47]

"higher ground" had potential. I liked the idea that Obi-Wan wins when Anakin gets arrogant.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

As do I, but I seem to recall a certain Sith Lord having the "higher ground" in TPM against an unarmed Obi-Wan. Well, well. I do agree that Obi-Wan should try to save him in the end though but it didn't bother me that much.

[Citizen-X]

I saw the film, and, well, I liked it to some degree. Although I think the ending was too rushed. For example taking all these quick shots of what is happening everywhere, from Alderaan, to Padmes funeral, to Vader and the Emperor on the starboard deck, and then finally to Tatooine, too many scenes not very well organised and too quick.

And when I saw Vader on that Starboard deck I had this conflicting feeling like I was watching Empire Strikes Back or something, its like the clash of films, OT meets PT, it felt weird in a bad way sort of like it didnt belong there, it would be better if they were standing in Imperial City on a balcony or something, in the coruscant night looking up into the sky as stardestroyers depart on theyre journeys.

Other than that, yes theyre was problems with the dialogue, and emotion in the relationships between the characters. And the Noooooooooooo, killed the mood.

saw it yesterday and Anakins turn is my biggest issue. Basically, he goes in a few seconds from "What have I done?" to "Yes my master, the jedi shall be slaughetered."

Yes it was odd, but I guess I would say that Anikan was reassured by Palpatine at that moment, and Anikan probably realised that now he had no choice, because the damage was done, Mace Windu was dead. Also add to that his constant brainwashing by Palpatine.

ALSO I HAVE TO ASK, WHERE WAS MON MOTHMA? WAS SHE EVEN IN THE MOVIE? DID I MISS HER? IF SHE WAS PLEASE TELL ME IN WHICH SCENE?

This post has been edited by Citizen-X: 22 May 2005 - 06:43 AM

[jariten]

ALSO I HAVE TO ASK, WHERE WAS MON MOTHMA? WAS SHE EVEN IN THE MOVIE? DID I MISS HER? IF SHE WAS PLEASE TELL ME IN WHICH SCENE?

I think she was cut, but I expect shes lurking on the DVD somewhere.

saw it yesterday and Anakins turn is my biggest issue. Basically, he goes in a few seconds from "What have I done?" to "Yes my master, the jedi shall be slaughetered."

Anakins whole 'turn' only works if you place it in the context of AotC and the promises he made to himself after his mother died. When I saw the scene you mentioned, I couldnt help but notice that Anakin did not say the words to Sidious with much conviction. Then later, we find out why- he was planning on killing Sidious himself and his own plan was to take Padme and live in peace. He didnt care about anything else at that point.

So, although he turned to the darkside out of love, ultimatly it was a selfish, self serving, sith-like move, which of course in the end came to nothing. but recognising that thats what he wanted, then seeing him broken at the end, he lost everything he loved and wanted to keep (and I loved Sidious' grin- the evil bastard) just killed me. I personally thought it was a brilliant ending.

It also casts new light on Vaders attempt to win over Luke, now it feels like a genuine plea, and its not the black and white scene it was before.

p.s so basically hes evil, but in his own mind, from his "point of view", hes doing the right thing.

This post has been edited by jariten: 22 May 2005 - 06:54 AM