[Darth Pants]

I don't understand WHY THIS IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND. You have a right NOT to like the movie, but you sound like an elitist little prick when you say you "don't accept what Lucas did with the story in ROTJ". That doesn't make any sense, whether you like it or not its his story between ANH-ROTJ, and just because you don't like one of them, doesn't mean you should be saying "oh ya that doesn't count apart of the saga".

I must say that I find your post most amusing - in the pathetic mindless gusher sort of way.

As far as I'm concerned, that is my opinion, and I am fully entitled to it. Your considering my viewpoint arrogant has actually got nothing to do with me. I can't possibly be the slightest bit bothered to change myopinions to suit your views of how I should think or feel. If I sound like an elitest little prick to you, than so be it.

Unlike you, I refuse to blindly accept any little goat dropping that Lucas may care to drop on the masses, without scrutiny.

This post has been edited by Darth Pants: 22 May 2005 - 05:56 PM

[Renegade]

Ya more elitist bullshit. Because i say ROTJ was good and more importantly that its lucas right to do with his own story, im a "gusher".

Here's an idea, why don't you stop whining about movies that you don't like, and actually invest time in things that you do like? If I liked the original star trek, but didn't like the 1040520520 sequels, i would sorta take a hint and stop devoting time to the series..

[Darth Pants]

Here's an idea, why don't you stop...

Whilst that idea might sound interesting to you, I can assure you that it sounds perfectly boring to me.

why don't you stop whining about movies that you don't like, and actually invest time in things that you do like?

Simply because I happen to like bashing things I don't like and not paying that much attention to the things I do, because I have already put them through thorough scrutiny..

Because i say ROTJ was good and more importantly that its lucas right to do with his own story, im a "gusher".

Yes, because, IMO, ROTS was nothing more than a pathetic piece of shit. Only someone desperately needing to gush would like it.

This post has been edited by Darth Pants: 22 May 2005 - 06:15 PM

[BadKarma]

...but placed next to other summer blockbuster fair, it seems all the more imaginative and impressive.

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ROFLMAO!!!!!! Imaginative? Impressive?!!
I'm sorry but even against the classic summer hollywood drivel, TPM was not even close to imaginative and the only impressive part was the CGI.. which was used to make a clown type storyline of anything it encountered. How you can even say that... words fail me mate, they really really do!

[Renegade]

Whilst that idea might sound interesting to you, I can assure you that it sounds perfectly boring to me.
Simply because I happen to like bashing things I don't like and not paying that  much attention to the things I do, because I have already put them through thorough scrutiny.. 
Yes, because, IMO, ROTS was nothing more than a pathetic piece of shit. Only someone desperately needing to gush would like it.

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I said ROTJ not ROTS...

[Darth Pants]

I said ROTJ not ROTS...

Well, ROTJ/ROTS - does it actually make a diffeence? ROTJ, IMO was a clumsily tied up piece of shit too - just like 'Shit' is.

[Lord Melkor]

Pathetic peace of shit!?

So why it was rated high by most critics?!

Did it really screwed your childhood?! I wonder.

[Lord Melkor]

You see, even if I don`t like the movie or book, I would never call it shit.
Because of the respect for people that created it!
Everything created from human imagination is valuable!

[Darth Pants]

So why it was rated high by most critics?!

1) All critics are not equal. Some accept any shit thrown at them.

2) Perhaps because they were desperate enough to delude themselves into liking the last SW movie, ever.

Did it really screwed your childhood?! I wonder.

Nope, jedi was too flacid to do that.

You see, even if I don`t like the movie or book, I would never call it shit.
Because of the respect for people that created it!
Everything created from human imagination is valuable!

I don't bow down to anyone, sorry.

This post has been edited by Darth Pants: 22 May 2005 - 06:26 PM

[Bohrok Awakener]

Can you trust the critics? In most cases, no. If they don't like a movie, they say it sucked. If they thought the movie was okay, they say it was awesome. There is no "in-between" for them. So the Prequels were either underrated or overrated.

I used to really like ROTJ, but then I realised that the appearence of the Ewoks marked one of the worst moments in film history. The last hour or so of the movie is darn near unwatchable as the Ewoks take down the Imperial army, only suffering one battlefield casualty in the process. Pathetic. Not to mention no-one acts realistically alongside the Ewoks, and their costumes were BAD. If Lucas loves CGI so much, shouldn't he have used CGI Ewoks in the Special Edition?

I agree... TPM felt like a conglomerate of other movies and events. The Podrace was Ben Hur, the space battle was a dumbed-down ROTJ, the politics were, er, the United States. There was very little imaginative stuff in there.

[Renegade]

Anyway im done arguing with people who still lack the ability to reason there a post and see what the intent is of the author.

[Chefelf]

Chefelf, bu the context in which midichlorians were brought in ROTS was quite interesting, don`t you think?

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I don't know if I think so. In TPM, the midi-chlorians being mentioned ruined everything because of the scientific explanation. In ROTS it was bad for another reason. It didn't have to be mentioned. HE could have just said "influence the Force to create life" but instead he said "influence the midi-chlorians." I think it's kinda a dumb idea but I think the fantasy element of it could remain intact if them simply substituted "Force" for "midi-chlorians."

[Madam Corvax]

Since it is a tobic about connecting, I would like you to ponder a few things. I mentioned in another thread that not only does the ROTS fail to connect with OT, but also it fails to connect with other prequels.

TPM and AOTC leave us with some loose ends and Lucas tried to patch only a few of them (poorly).

1. Midichlorians and Anakin's conception. Even if we accept the explanation about creating life from Midichlorians, wouldn't the Jedi Master who conducted such experiment try to follow its results? Anakin being brought into all this is pretty concidental. I mean, you can't tell me it was planned by this Darth Plagus or whatever his name was to have Qui-Gon ship hyperdrive break just when they were fyling over Tatoone?

2. Creation of Clone Army, Master Syfo Dias and the reason to create the Clone Army. This is very crucial point, and it is not explained, unless in some EU book and comics

3. Why Anakin's mother was kidnapped by Sand People.From what I remember, she was only mentioned once in ROTS, and I don't agree with some people that she played such a huge role in bringing Anakin to the dark side.

4. Count Dooku. He appreared from nowhere in AOTC and disappeared at the beginning of ROTS. It seems to me that the only reason he was in PT in the first place was because of his ability do deliver unbelievable lines in a deep bellowing voice.

5. Barend's point 0 flying ability of R2 is no more in ROTS

There are just a few points. What say you, good people?

[SPQR]

Midiclorians is a convenient and secular explanation that GL cooked up after reading about mitochondrial DNA passed through the mother and the Y-haplotype lineage carried by males. He wanted SW to leave any religious context or comparisons behind and for it to exist in a world of cold science and not spirituality. That's what he gets when his plot devices include virgin births and prophecies. "I don't hnow why people interpret it in a religious context..." Duh!!!!!!!

[jariten]

Since it is a tobic about connecting, I would like you to ponder a few things. I mentioned in another thread that not only does the ROTS fail to connect with OT, but also it fails to connect with other prequels.

TPM and AOTC leave us with some loose ends and Lucas tried to patch only a few of them (poorly).

1. Midichlorians and Anakin's conception. Even if we accept the explanation about creating life from Midichlorians, wouldn't the Jedi Master who conducted such experiment try to follow its results? Anakin being brought into all this is pretty concidental. I mean, you can't tell me it was planned by this Darth Plagus or whatever his name was to have Qui-Gon ship hyperdrive break just when they were fyling over Tatoone?

2. Creation of Clone Army, Master Syfo Dias and the reason to create the Clone Army. This is very crucial point, and it is not explained, unless in some EU book and comics

3. Why Anakin's mother was kidnapped by Sand People.From what I remember, she was only mentioned once in ROTS, and I don't agree with some people that she played such a huge role in bringing Anakin to the dark side.

4. Count Dooku. He appreared from nowhere in AOTC and disappeared at the beginning of ROTS. It seems to me that the only reason he was in PT in the first place was because of his ability do deliver unbelievable lines in a deep bellowing voice.

5. Barend's point 0 flying ability of R2 is no more in ROTS

There are just a few points. What say you, good people?

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1. There isnt any actual proff that he created Anakin, only the suggestion. I dont buy it, for the reasons you stated mostly, and I accept Qui Gons view. P is a liar, and a master manipulator, who would say and suggest whatever it took to get Anakin under his wing. In this case, it ties in with what Sidoius later says about it being Anakins destiny. I liked it that Lucas threw a spanner in the works for those of us who were actually following the story.

2. I agree with you here. Although I dont think its a severe plot hole (I think its assumed that Dooku erased the files), it would have been good to get that resolved. The odd thing about it is, that in the AotC DVD commentary, Lucas clearly states that this issue would be resolved in "the next one". I wonder why it was dropped? its a shame, but its nothing massive.

3. you bring up a few different things here. Why Shmi was kidnapped isnt important. She was actually brought up 3 or 4 times in the film, and she is vital in understanding Anakins turn. That whole sequence in AotC ends with him saying "I wont fail again" after he did fail to protect her and keep her safe (whether he could have done it or not is irrelevant, the fact is that he blamed himself). Its this motivation that hes got in Ep3, and which spurs him on to the dark side.

4. Lucas needed a new sith for Sidious, a figurehead for the seperatists, a fallen jedi (to show it could be done), and yes, im sure he also needed a guy with a cool voice.

5. R2 does fly in RotS.