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Posted 21 May 2005 - 11:39 AM

What is Lucas trying to tell us with these prequel stains anyhow?

We know Yoda was living in exile, but the Way he lived seemed appropriate. A Master of the Force, uninterested in matrial things and void of dependencies on the physical. A true MASTER. He is NOT political. Politics seemed as appropriate a concern to Yoda as calculus is to sculptor.

With the PT we see he is indeed dependant on many material things and has a phat pad to hang in and is in the know on most things political. Yoda is also faced with a defeat at the hands of the Emperor and his solution is to go into exile? This is it? He ran away?
Sorry...scurried away like a rat? So the Darkside is not as powerful but totalitarianism is too much to handle?

Again, it's just weak.

And why should we feel sorry for Vader and his like? I know when we're born we're all shiney, happy, cherubs but c'mon! Where do we draw the line? Blowing up planets and killing children doesn't invalidate your human spirit card?

SO lucas wants us to feel bad for Vader and forgive him, and see Yoda as a failure? I just don't see the point in doing this.
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Posted 21 May 2005 - 11:15 PM

Absolutely weak!!!! I still think Yoda should've been put on Dagobah--AGAINST HIS WILL!!!

SO lucas wants us to feel bad for Vader and forgive him, and see Yoda as a failure? I just don't see the point in doing this.

Yep, and according to Lucas Han is NOT redeemable for shooting first at a lousy, stinking, cowardly bounty hunter.
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All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
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Posted 22 May 2005 - 02:52 AM

He ran away because he wasn't strong enough to defeat Palpatine. I'd say this is just Lucas' way of actually showing the Jedis aren't as powerful as people believe them to be.
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Posted 22 May 2005 - 03:17 AM

QUOTE (Grand Moff Lebowski @ May 21 2005, 11:39 AM)
What is Lucas trying to tell us with these prequel stains anyhow?

We know Yoda was living in exile, but the Way he lived seemed appropriate.  A Master of the Force, uninterested in matrial things and void of dependencies on the physical.  A true MASTER.  He is NOT political.  Politics seemed as appropriate a concern to Yoda as calculus is to sculptor. 

With the PT we see he is indeed dependant on many material things and has a phat pad to hang in and is in the know on most things political.  Yoda is also faced with a defeat at the hands of the Emperor and his solution is to go into exile?  This is it?  He ran away? 
Sorry...scurried away like a rat?  So the Darkside is not as powerful but totalitarianism is too much to handle?

Again, it's just weak.

And why should we feel sorry for Vader and his like?  I know when we're born we're all shiney, happy, cherubs but c'mon!  Where do we draw the line?  Blowing up planets and killing children doesn't invalidate your human spirit card?

SO lucas wants us to feel bad for Vader and forgive him, and see Yoda as a failure?  I just don't see the point in doing this.

1) He went in exile because he had failed to remove the Emperor, and that meant he could not survive sitting around the capital when he had a death warrant on his head by the empire. His only choice was to go into exile and hope to live to fight another day. I thought that was self explanatory but i guess not.

2) The movie isn't designed to make you feel sorry for Vader.. it's supposed to make you understand what drove him to the dark side.
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Posted 22 May 2005 - 06:42 AM

but Yoda (and ben) did try to 'redeem' (as you put it) themselves by trying to start afresh with Luke. Yodas training Luke, I think, goes some way to his failures at the end of RotS.
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Posted 22 May 2005 - 12:27 PM

QUOTE (Renegade @ May 22 2005, 12:17 AM)
1) He went in exile because he had failed to remove the Emperor, and that meant he could not survive sitting around the capital when he had a death warrant on his head by the empire. His only choice was to go into exile and hope to live to fight another day. I thought that was self explanatory but i guess not.

2) The movie isn't designed to make you feel sorry for Vader.. it's supposed to make you understand what drove him to the dark side.



You just take it like a battered wife, don't you?

Enjoy your personal take on it. I'll stick with the truth.

Again, once the euphoria wears off we'll talk.
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Posted 22 May 2005 - 12:47 PM

[quote=Renegade,May 22 2005, 12:17 AM]1) He went in exile because he had failed to remove the Emperor, and that meant he could not survive sitting around the capital when he had a death warrant on his head by the empire. His only choice was to go into exile and hope to live to fight another day. I thought that was self explanatory but i guess not. [/quote][/color]



So the Ewperor is more powerful?  Hmmmm...interesting choice.


[/quote][/color]2) The movie isn't designed to make you feel sorry for Vader.. it's supposed to make you understand what drove him to the dark side.

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Failed, miserably then. I'm glad you have such insight into what Lucas was trying to do. Do you know I used to work at LucasFilm? I guess I don't know sith about it.

This post has been edited by Grand Moff Lebowski: 22 May 2005 - 12:48 PM

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 02:08 PM

I don't see what's so wrong with Yoda < Palpatine. I'd go as far as to say Palpatine > Vader > Luke > Yoda.
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Posted 22 May 2005 - 04:07 PM

[quote=Grand Moff Lebowski,May 22 2005, 12:47 PM]
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So the Ewperor is more powerful?  Hmmmm...interesting choice.
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2) The movie isn't designed to make you feel sorry for Vader.. it's supposed to make you understand what drove him to the dark side.

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Failed, miserably then. I'm glad you have such insight into what Lucas was trying to do. Do you know I used to work at LucasFilm? I guess I don't know sith about it.

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Your really slow in understanding movies... how you didn't understand that Yoda's exile was a result of not being able to survive out in the open due to the order 66 is amazing. And the fight doesn't particurly show whos stronger, the emperor or yoda but eitherway it be fine. Emperor being stronger would make sense considering he hid the dark side from EVERY jedi for that long, showing he prolly was stronger with the force. Eitherway it is irrelevent who is "stronger" between the two though.

Who cares if you worked for LucasFilm (assuming you did). Anyone with any ability to watch movies and comprehend a basic story could of seen the purpose of his movies.
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 03:45 PM

[quote=Renegade,May 22 2005, 01:07 PM]
[/color]2) The movie isn't designed to make you feel sorry for Vader.. it's supposed to make you understand what drove him to the dark side.

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Failed, miserably then. I'm glad you have such insight into what Lucas was trying to do. Do you know I used to work at LucasFilm? I guess I don't know sith about it.

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Your really slow in understanding movies... how you didn't understand that Yoda's exile was a result of not being able to survive out in the open due to the order 66 is amazing. And the fight doesn't particurly show whos stronger, the emperor or yoda but eitherway it be fine. Emperor being stronger would make sense considering he hid the dark side from EVERY jedi for that long, showing he prolly was stronger with the force. Eitherway it is irrelevent who is "stronger" between the two though.

Who cares if you worked for LucasFilm (assuming you did). Anyone with any ability to watch movies and comprehend a basic story could of seen the purpose of his movies.

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Waaaagghh!!!!

Ease off the personal tirads, missy.

I would think there was a better reason as to why Yoda was in exile. And more to the point, a Jedi Master should be able to sneak around as long as he wants to. Just ask Alec Guiness on the Death Star.

And as for the Emperor, I never thought he and Yoda met never mind battled. So showing his utter defeat TO ME is a sign of weakness.

Put that in your diaper and smoke it.

P.S. And who cares if I worked for Lucas? I do! And the point is not a bragging one. I mention it to show the insight and inner circle working sI am subject to and MOST people at the Ranch feel the same way. We're expressing our opinions here, and yours just seems to be out of tune with most others here. You have a fantastic day.
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 10:54 PM

What are you talking about? I don't understand what movie you were watching seriously. I mean don't take it personal but I felt like it was pretty clear that:

1) Neither Yoda or Emperor won, nor should either of them, they should be equal pretty much (actually the Emperor should prolly be stronger with the force considering he sat there being on the dark side under the entire jedi council's noses but whatever)

2) He could possibly go sneaking around but its unlikely. The difference is when Vader and Obi Wan fought, they were both looking for each other, it was a fight both wanted. Yoda could go around sneaking to find the Emperor but it would of been impossible to get a fight with him with all the troops guarding him, assuming he was even able to get to him. Plus that scene with Obi Wan is a bit silly neway, considering he sneaked around an entire battle station but whatever.

3) I didn't particularly like their fight either, but to me it always seemed obvious that they'd have to fight when i watched the OT. It didn't make too much sense to me that Yoda the most powerful jedi, wouldn't put up a fight against either Vader or the Emperor before they took power. Though I thought it be non lightsaber back then.
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