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ROTS stand alone? A question for those who've seen it.

#1 User is offline   Jordan Icon

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 11:27 PM

I've been reading the reviews by members here. The over all consensus thus far - The movie is the best of the three PT's.

My question is, could you have watched this movie and still understood and enjoyed it with out ever watching TPM and AOTC?

It seems to me from reading spoilers and reviews that ROTS basically started and finished every thing. The last two movies almost seem pointless now.

The idea of Anakin being a slave in TPM, the drama of his mother dieing in AOTC, all seem to be old news that did not re-surface and play a role in his transformation.

It's as if padme's death and Palaptines luring was what sealed Anakin's fate as a dark jedi (lame!!!).

The PT's could have been just ROTS then. What a waste of time!

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 11:36 PM

pretty much...

there were things done too fast in this, and it could have been stretched over two films and then the other could be a nice epic peice that sshowd the foundations of the empire and the rebellion.
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Posted 19 May 2005 - 11:40 PM

Not sure.

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 12:19 AM

Does this movie even bother to resolve some of the questions raisedfrom the previous films? I.e. the identity of Sifo-Diyas and the council's use of the force diminishing.
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Posted 20 May 2005 - 01:04 AM

nope... not even slightly...

but they adress the virgin birth, but most people were to dumb to get it.
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Posted 20 May 2005 - 01:06 AM

QUOTE (Jordan)
My question is, could you have watched this movie and still understood and enjoyed it with out ever watching TPM and AOTC?


Yes.

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The idea of Anakin being a slave in TPM, the drama of his mother dieing in AOTC, all seem to be old news that did not re-surface and play a role in his transformation.

It's as if padme's death and Palaptines luring was what sealed Anakin's fate as a dark jedi (lame!!!).


Shmi's death did play a small role in that Anakin has dreams of Padme dying during childbirth and to prevent her from meeting the same fate as his mom, he wants to learn the dark side of the force from Palpatine who tells Anakin that it's a skill he won't be able to learn from the Jedi.

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Does this movie even bother to resolve some of the questions raisedfrom the previous films? I.e. the identity of Sifo-Diyas and the council's use of the force diminishing.


No, and no. The identity of Sifo-Diyas isn't resolved, nor was his name even mentioned. The force diminishing as well as how and why the Jedi were not able to detect Palpatine right under their nose was never dealt with.
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Posted 20 May 2005 - 02:28 AM

You need Clones to understand Sith, without a shadow of a doubt. Otherwise, Anakins change seems a little rushed. but coupled with Shmi's scenes in clones, it makes perfect sense.

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but they adress the virgin birth, but most people were to dumb to get it.


you're probably right about that, but what is the implication for Anakin?

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The force diminishing as well as how and why the Jedi were not able to detect Palpatine right under their nose was never dealt with.


actually its dealt with in Clones.

"the darkside of the force has clouded their vision my friend..."

also dont forget about the Japor Snippet. and Qui Gons purpose is revealed, and Boss Nass...
and how tragic is Nute Gunrays character? I couldn't bear to watch that scene.

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 03:27 AM

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actually its dealt with in Clones.

"the darkside of the force has clouded their vision my friend..."


It wasn't dealt with in AOTC as all they said was the darkside clouded the Jedi's vision, but they didn't tell you why and how exactly. It was just a plot device GL used to explain why the Jedi couldn't sense Palpatine, but it's never explained in detail how that happened.

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also dont forget about the Japor Snippet. and Qui Gons purpose is revealed, and Boss Nass...
and how tragic is Nute Gunrays character? I couldn't bear to watch that scene.


Qui-Gon's scene was cut. Boss Nass played no role in Ep3 and the Nute Gunray character was not a plot or mystery that went unexplained.
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Posted 20 May 2005 - 05:32 AM

ROTS stands alone - to the people who said you needed to see the cartoons to understand it - you barely needed to see Ep II and definitely didn't need Ep I - so nuts to them.
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Posted 20 May 2005 - 07:47 AM

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It wasn't dealt with in AOTC as all they said was the darkside clouded the Jedi's vision, but they didn't tell you why and how exactly


but why would it need to be explained? and in fact, considering we are dealing with a fantasy universe with fantasy concepts that dont exist, how could it be explained at all? 'Dooku spiked their drinks!' just doesnt seem adaquate. as it stands, the dialogue in AotC explains it for everyone except those who dont want it explained, and who want to hate these films (perish the thought).

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Qui-Gon's scene was cut.


but the obi/yoda bit wasnt, and thats all that was needed.

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Boss Nass played no role in Ep3


I just meant it was cool to see him in the background, since he wasnt in Ep2, it felt like a nice wrap up.

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Nute Gunray character was not a plot or mystery that went unexplained.


meh?

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Posted 20 May 2005 - 09:35 AM

I've seen all the Clone Wars cartoons. And to be completely honest, they don't reveal that much that pertain directly the movies. The plot mostly focuses on the Expanded Universe.
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Posted 20 May 2005 - 09:55 AM

ROTS was better than all three new films by ways of action and pacing. The dialog was I couldn't believe worse than the first 2 films and the last 15-20 mins was a complete cheese laughfest, I honestly could not stop laughing at all. There is still no character building yet again, I thought Grevious was better than Maul, but Lucas doesn't undestand the concept of having the villian's speak more than 2 lines.

Basically it was just a very entertaining reminder on how much Lucas is out of touch with filmmaking. I went to the midnight show with a bunch of friends had a good time and alot of fun on the way back home bitching about all the stupid shit in the movie. Which there is much more, but regardless it was a entertaining ride.
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Posted 20 May 2005 - 09:59 AM

QUOTE (SanjuroTsubaki @ May 20 2005, 03:55 PM)
ROTS was better than all three new films by ways of action and pacing. The dialog was I couldn't believe worse than the first 2 films and the last 15-20 mins was a complete cheese laughfest, I honestly could not stop laughing at all. There is still no character building yet again, I thought Grevious was better than Maul, but Lucas doesn't undestand the concept of having the villian's speak more than 2 lines.

Basically it was just a very entertaining reminder on how much Lucas is out of touch with filmmaking. I went to the midnight show with a bunch of friends had a good time and alot of fun on the way back home bitching about all the stupid shit in the movie. Which there is much more, but regardless it was a entertaining ride.



Perfect synopsis! Bravo! But Grievous speaking with Triumph the Insult Comic Dog's voice and his constant emphysemic hacking!
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Posted 20 May 2005 - 10:04 AM

QUOTE (SanjuroTsubaki @ May 20 2005, 10:55 AM)
I thought Grevious was better than Maul, but Lucas doesn't undestand the concept of having the villian's speak more than 2 lines.



I have to disagree with you here. You cant compare a real live martial artist with CGI bad guy with tuberculosis and a crappy accent. At least the guy they got to do DM’s voice didn’t sound like some ridiculous villain from a kiddie cartoon
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Posted 20 May 2005 - 10:05 AM

""but Lucas doesn't undestand the concept of having the villian's speak more than 2 lines. ""

This is a weak spot, isn't it.

I also think that Grievous is a better villain than Darth Maul.
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