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Posted 21 May 2005 - 12:23 AM

QUOTE (Just another wretched fan @ May 20 2005, 10:53 PM)
2. The Sidious/Plagueis plan. Ok. If you're on the dark side, the only person you care about is yourself. Its all about you, baby.  The only way you become a master is if you're knock your own master off, you always gotta be looking over your shoulder, but if you're the biggest badass in the valley, you have nothing to worry about. Ok, so you're a Dark Lord of the Sith, abeit in hiding. Why would you use your knowledge of the Force to create a Jedi (Anakin) more powerful than yourself. If he goes darkside, he's ultimately going to knock you off. Anakin's maiming was in the best interest of Palpatine, but what if he won his duel with OWK? Then Palps would be fucked. I just don't see what the hell Plagueis was thinking. Yeah, conceiving Anakin the super-jedi was in the best interest of the Sith, but sith lords don't let themselves get knocked off for the best interest of the sith. they only care about themselves.

3. Plagueis is a stupid name, like Greivous, Dooku, and Shmi.

4. I guarentee you that 10 years from now, my kids are going to be playing with X-Wings and TIE fighters, not whatever fucked up hybrids we saw in the opening battle. They were buck UGLY.

5. Mace Windu's Jedi posse die off immediately in the most retarded fashion humanly possible. They don't even put up a fight. I thought they were masters.

6. Sidious was laughable at different points.

7. Why didn't the burst droids just blow up and destroy OWK's fighter? Bomb droids would be much more effective than Bust Droids or whatever the fuck they're called.

8. Anakin is a really shitty pilot. He says it himself (paraphrased) "That was a bad move" OWK gives him tactical advice he promptly ignored FOR THE WORST.

9. If i were commander of the battleship i would have removed the atmosphere from the hangar. Droids don't need atmosphere. Jedi's do.

10. Why didn't the battle droids just shoot R2-D2?

11. Why were there so many occasions of battle droids telling OWK and Anakin to freeze. If it was all part of Sidious' plan, as you gushers say, then why didn't Anakin and Obi-Wan get a clue.

12. The whole order 66 thing. In the real world. Real soldiers have a ton of jokes about combat and their equipment and how their technology loves to fuck up on them at the worst possible moment. I cannot believe, for one moment, that star wars soldiers didn't have jokes about battle droids, saying stuff like "always make your droids take point, because you never know who's controlling their command ship" or something like that. Any rational defense department would have legitimate questions about who makes their weapons and/or clone troopers. If you think that every single part of a Predator or Global Hawk was making in the USA you're kidding. But we can all be sure that then Pentagon made pretty damn sure that some other country won't be able to hack one of our drones and get it to knock of some of our own soldiers. "Evil will triumph because good is dumb"



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#2. There are many theories that can be used for this. Perhaps he did this, because he knew of the prophecy, and thought turning him would destroy the prophecy.

#3. Nah, the only bad name there is Shmi. :|

#4. That's because you'd beat them up if they did! c_c Jk.

#5. Only two of them did. Palpatine was powerful, and Mace and the Tentacle Monster Jedi held their own well.

#6. I disagree. I think he was pretty cool of a villain.

#7. Well, maybe they didn't have a Self Destruct Function. c_c

#8. Well, he's not the best at anything. c_c

#9. Well, maybe they didn't have the ability. I mean, sometimes an ally organic being could come on the hanger.

#10. Would you have? I doubt they perceived him as a threat.

#11. Maybe Palpatine knew they could hold their own?

#12. You were talking less about the Clones and more about real life. One annoyance I didn't like was that all Anakin did was kill a bunch of Younglings.
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Posted 21 May 2005 - 01:32 AM

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The Sidious/Plagueis plan. Ok. If you're on the dark side, the only person you care about is yourself. Its all about you, baby.  The only way you become a master is if you're knock your own master off, you always gotta be looking over your shoulder, but if you're the biggest badass in the valley, you have nothing to worry about. Ok, so you're a Dark Lord of the Sith, abeit in hiding. Why would you use your knowledge of the Force to create a Jedi (Anakin) more powerful than yourself. If he goes darkside, he's ultimately going to knock you off. Anakin's maiming was in the best interest of Palpatine, but what if he won his duel with OWK? Then Palps would be fucked. I just don't see what the hell Plagueis was thinking. Yeah, conceiving Anakin the super-jedi was in the best interest of the Sith, but sith lords don't let themselves get knocked off for the best interest of the sith. they only care about themselves
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i couldn't agree more..sort of begs the question as to why siths even would want apprentices?
i think alot of the thematic logic of the series has gotten more and more muddled depending on which religious/spirtual themes lucas tries to weld together.
in episode 4-6 we been fed a steady diet of an overarching compassion for others and while each individual has their own path in life, there is a connectivity of all things.
then in ep 1-2 we get this calvinist predetermined fate , you're the chosen one theory
now in ep 3 anakin was created as just a pawn in this sith/ jedi machveillian power struggle ?

the other thing that really bothered me about this film is that lucas still doesn't seem to understand the crucial difference between an ommage and outright farce.
at the midnight show i went to half the theatre either groaned or outright laughed at the Vader NOOOOOOOO line. i mean this is suppose to be THE emotional kick to the gut of the entire series? Vader 's self realization of at his own point of no return. that he'd betrayed his own belief system, murdered kids, killed his wife and his own kids (as far as he knew) and was trapped for ever as a half man/ machine
this had the potential to be the darkest moment and we got homer simpson???

the pai mei scenes in kill bill 2 are an ommage
the kung fu scenes in kentucky fried movie are farce
yet both work!
the vader/frankenstein connection didn't.
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Posted 21 May 2005 - 05:15 AM

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1. The security hologram. So the intimate conversation between Palpatine and Anakin was on tape? Couldn't someone have noticed it before and told somebody that Anakin had just joined the darkside? Shouldn't Palpatine have checked for cameras before telling Anakin he was the Dark Lord?


What made this even more stupid is that OWK saw the video while he and Yoda were in the Jedi temple, but the Anakin/Palp convo took place in a whole different building (I think it was the Chancellor's Room in the Senate building).

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2. The Sidious/Plagueis plan. Ok. If you're on the dark side, the only person you care about is yourself. Its all about you, baby.  The only way you become a master is if you're knock your own master off, you always gotta be looking over your shoulder, but if you're the biggest badass in the valley, you have nothing to worry about. Ok, so you're a Dark Lord of the Sith, abeit in hiding. Why would you use your knowledge of the Force to create a Jedi (Anakin) more powerful than yourself. If he goes darkside, he's ultimately going to knock you off. Anakin's maiming was in the best interest of Palpatine, but what if he won his duel with OWK? Then Palps would be fucked. I just don't see what the hell Plagueis was thinking. Yeah, conceiving Anakin the super-jedi was in the best interest of the Sith, but sith lords don't let themselves get knocked off for the best interest of the sith. they only care about themselves.


I interpreted Palp's manner and facial looks during the opera scene as hints that he himself created Anakin, not Plagueis. I could be wrong, but since it's never fully stated either way, who knows.

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Posted 21 May 2005 - 02:22 PM

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I interpreted Palp's manner and facial looks during the opera scene as hints that he himself created Anakin, not Plagueis. I could be wrong, but since it's never fully stated either way, who knows.


it doesn't matter, either way its illogical for a sith to create a being who will assurredly knock you off unless someone incapacitates him first, which is all up to chance. Dooku was a pretty badass apprentice, he beat yoda and obi-wan. The only jedi he couldn't beat was Anakin, who was created by Palpatine. If palpatine hadn't created Anakin then his apprentice would have still been the toughest candidate for apprenticeship.


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13. The anonymous henchmen who were only created to be enemies in the ROTS video game. You know, the dueling droids with energy sticks. The feathered lizard was pretty bad too, it could run as fast as a car, yet looked like it was lumbering. The greivous chase was clearly designed to be a great video game level. At least it wasn't as bad as the factory scene in AOTC. I'm getting nauseous thinking of different Super Mario and Mega Man levels and that Double Dragon 2 factory level.

"backpedal on the conveyor belts, wait wait, KATHOMP! ok go! jump! boing! wait wait wait wait KATHOMP! go gogogo! quick hold B to run and jump over the fire! press A! boiiiiinggggggg!" GL what have you done crying.gif
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Posted 21 May 2005 - 03:01 PM

I wonder of AOTC's conveyer belt scene was made with a game in mind...
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Posted 21 May 2005 - 06:15 PM

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it doesn't matter, either way its illogical for a sith to create a being who will assurredly knock you off unless someone incapacitates him first, which is all up to chance.


I didn't say it did matter, I simple gave my interpretation of your nitpick. I agree with you that it's stupid, regardless of who created Anakin, for a Sith to create someone more powerful than himself.
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Posted 21 May 2005 - 06:24 PM

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I interpreted Palp's manner and facial looks during the opera scene as hints that he himself created Anakin, not Plagueis. I could be wrong, but since it's never fully stated either way, who knows.


I interpreted the same thing.


Oh, and going back to the whole QGJ thing: we know from ROTS that OWK is going to train to learn the post-mortem ghost hability. So it's quite natural that, in the OT, he actually uses this hability, hence his apparitions. We can suppose, since QGJ contacted Yoda and told him about what he had learned, that Yoda also knows how to do it, and again, in the OT he uses this hability. But how the hell did Anakin learn it? In ROTJ he appears in front of Luke, so he must know how to do the trick. And I don't think QGJ told him how to do it, since he's been the last 20 or so years being Vader... by the way, that was a pretty lame excuse to explain something that, IMO, didn't need explaining.



The movie is full of history holes and stupidly accomplished characters. One of my favourites has to be:
Palpatine- Cut his head.
Anakin- No, I'm a Jedi, I'm one of the good guys, that's not something we do.
Palpatine- Cut his head, I say.
Anakin- Ok
ZAP


Man, Anakin's force of will is really firm.
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Posted 21 May 2005 - 07:04 PM

Coco, Anakin gave in to his anger.

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Posted 21 May 2005 - 07:10 PM

Nah, he gave in to the script! tongue.gif
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Posted 21 May 2005 - 07:18 PM

Anakin should have pleaded for them to halt placing his helmet on before he asked what happened to Padme, he would have been a convulsive wreck, when he finds out his eyes simmer over red, he stays completely still and he no longer fights the mask being fitted into place, now that would have been cool

but, no, lucas likes silent film acting
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Posted 21 May 2005 - 09:45 PM

QUOTE (SPQR @ May 21 2005, 07:18 PM)
Anakin should have pleaded for them to halt placing his helmet on before he  asked what happened to Padme, he would have been a convulsive wreck, when he finds out his eyes simmer over red, he stays completely still and he no longer fights the mask being fitted into place, now that would have been cool

but, no,  lucas likes silent film acting


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Posted 21 May 2005 - 10:19 PM

That woulda been awesome.
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Posted 22 May 2005 - 01:36 AM

Right now my biggest nitpick was his transitions. It was like he transformed into a kid who just found a copy of Correl Presentations.

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 02:20 AM

Nice one Kirby! smile.gif

Another nitpick: Remembering Qui-Gon Jinn. So Lucas mentions him in order to explain Force ghosts or what? Qui-Gon trains Obi-Wan on Tattooine? And this is the secret to living forever? That comment by Yoda just felt, well, wrong. It's another Sifo Dyas mystery. One sentence and you create a plotline that will not be touched upon again. Lame. DVD extended edition anyone?

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Posted 22 May 2005 - 02:06 PM

If they don't include that, George Lucas will return to the position of 'worst director EVAR'.
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