Chefelf.com Night Life: You can`t take Star Wars too seriously - Chefelf.com Night Life

Jump to content

Star Wars Fan Convention

Page 1 of 1

You can`t take Star Wars too seriously

#1 User is offline   Lord Melkor Icon

  • Level Boss
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Junior Members
  • Posts: 335
  • Joined: 11-May 05
  • Country:Poland

Posted 19 May 2005 - 11:24 AM

Really, those films are adressed to people who stiill have a bit of child inside them, you should not expect realism, and an amount of cheese and certain goofiness is a part of this unique style.

This is the universe where Droids show emotions and elite soldiers can`t shoot...

This is Star Wars!

This post has been edited by Lord Melkor: 19 May 2005 - 11:25 AM

0

#2 User is offline   BinarySunset Icon

  • Henchman
  • Pip
  • Group: Junior Members
  • Posts: 58
  • Joined: 20-April 05
  • Country:United States

Posted 19 May 2005 - 11:44 AM

Thank you.

Although, I admit I have been known to debate certain topics with much enthusiasm. blushing.gif
0

#3 User is offline   Devout Catalyst Icon

  • Henchman
  • Pip
  • Group: Junior Members
  • Posts: 59
  • Joined: 16-May 05
  • Country:United States

Posted 19 May 2005 - 11:55 AM

I agree to a certain extent.

But I do expect movies and fiction in general to follow a certain internal logic. I am willing to suspend my disbelief, but not to ridiculous extremes.

When a moviemaker insults my intelligence to the degree that George Lucas has done with these prequels, I feel cheated out of money and time. Doesn't really affect my life in general otherwise. But to the extent that movies are worth discussing at all, I feel perfectly justified in calling George on his shit when appropriate.
0

#4 User is offline   HK 47 Icon

  • Level Boss
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 487
  • Joined: 20-April 04

Posted 19 May 2005 - 12:13 PM

Am I jumping to conclusions or do I sense the obnoxious smell of a PT apologist thread? *...recharging Aratech sniper rifle...*

When neglecting realism, suspension of disbelief becomes critical. Logic and rules, no matter how fantastic and imaginative, have to work in order for us to believe. In addition, characters and their motivations should reflect something familiar, or at least understandable. The OT managed all of this, the PT does not.
0

#5 User is offline   civilian_number_two Icon

  • Canada's Next Top Model.
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Head Moderator
  • Posts: 3,382
  • Joined: 01-November 03
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:In Your Dreams
  • Interests:I like stuff.
  • Country:Canada

Posted 19 May 2005 - 12:46 PM

Agreed. In fantasy, rules of nature will be broken. Therefore internal consistency is important for verisimilitude. Remember that word: it's the other half of the formula that includes "willing suspension of disbelief." Lucas and his apologists ask viewers to bring their part, but George on his end doesn't bother. He figures every time he loses some of his former fans, it's their fault.

(Grain of salt time: if the prequels were perfect, and I mean perfect, there would still be folks who loved them, and folks who hate them. So Lucas really doesn't know any better).

Back to bashing: My criteria have always been even simpler than verisimilitude. I hated TPM because it wasn't any fun. I sank in my seat right from the landing on Naboo, and never sat up. For this reason, the continued popularity of the prequels amazes me.
"I had a lot of different ideas. At one point, Luke, Leia and Ben were all going to be little people, and we did screen tests to see if we could do that." -George Lucas, in STAR WARS: the Annotated Screenplays (p197).
0

#6 User is offline   CowboyCurtis Icon

  • Soothsayer
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 800
  • Joined: 11-February 04
  • Location:Minnesooota
  • Interests:I lose interest in more things each and every day as things grow more and more mediocre and substandard...
  • Country:United States

Posted 19 May 2005 - 02:19 PM

I've noticed this about apologists, they can pretzel-logic ANYTHING yet they can never ever think about story, character, and continuity. They seem to lack this characteristic.

We can go back and forth forever in the midichlorian threads how they work, etc. in relation to the Force, but you have to boil this down to what matters---story... character.... continuity....

Lucas the hypocrite has been preaching about these things for years, and I think he only does because somebody else said it and he picked up on it (just like he picks up and borrows just about every other idea). He doesn't really believe it himself. He's just saying it to sound pompous and important.

The Emperor's clothing are revealed.
Flying Ferret

Battle for the Galaxy--read the "other Star Wars"

All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
0

#7 User is offline   Lord Melkor Icon

  • Level Boss
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Junior Members
  • Posts: 335
  • Joined: 11-May 05
  • Country:Poland

Posted 19 May 2005 - 02:21 PM

But ROTS was pure fun! It is enough for me!

Just like Kill Bill, great movie and total lack of realism acording to earthly standards!

This post has been edited by Lord Melkor: 19 May 2005 - 02:21 PM

0

#8 User is offline   Bohrok Awakener Icon

  • Henchman
  • Pip
  • Group: Junior Members
  • Posts: 79
  • Joined: 18-May 05
  • Country:United Kingdom

Posted 19 May 2005 - 02:38 PM

I agree. Some things in Star Wars could never happen - sounds in space, for example - but this is a fantasy would and things like that can afford to happen.

However, Lucas does sometimes stretch even his own boundries of realism. In some cases, and especially in the Prequel Trilogy, he takes pleasure in coming up with sci-fi versions of everything. Take the Senate chamber, for instance. As Chefelf said in the Reasons to Hate Episode I guide, there's no need for flying Senate pods. The Senators could simply sit around a big table and discuss matters. Sure, it's a bit more boring, but would the Republic be willing to spend millions of credits on the Senate chamber? Think of the immense construction costs, the maintenance costs, the staff pay, etc. Why would the Republic would go for a huge arena when it would be much cheaper and easier to go for a more Earth-like Senate chamber?

Of course, there's the ever-present subject of the bad aim of the Stormtroopers. I find it odd that Lucas contradicts himself on this front, as the Clones in AOTC seem to be pretty good shots. Either they got old and became worse shots, or Lucas is stupid. My bets are going on that it's a mixture of both.
0

#9 User is offline   Lord Melkor Icon

  • Level Boss
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Junior Members
  • Posts: 335
  • Joined: 11-May 05
  • Country:Poland

Posted 19 May 2005 - 02:41 PM

Hey, why can`t a Galactic Republic have an impressive Senate?!

i don`t think it is a big cost on a Galactic Scale!
0

Page 1 of 1


Fast Reply

  • Decrease editor size
  • Increase editor size