[Devout Catalyst]

If he insisted on revisiting the SW universe, it would have worked so much better if he started the saga AFTER the OT, with completely different characters and a brand new story.

Of course, the point is moot, because apparently he always wanted to tell the story of Anakin.

But he wouldn't have run into problems with glaring inconsistencies in technology or plotlines or anything else if he had just started fresh.

I don't know whether such movies would match up to the "feel" of the OT, but at least they wouldn't be pissing all over the predecessors. They might still have been bad movies nonetheless, but they would have been forgivably bad.

Ah, what might have been...

[Primetime]

Couldn't agree more!!!

Why, why why this facination for the fall of Vader? My theory is that George lacked the imagination to pull off sequels.

[Voodoo Dog]

I still think a PT would have been great if it worked right. Y'know one without annoying frog-horses, bad scripts, bad actors and had a little characterisation and no miraculous winning of space battles by accidently turning on the auto pliot. And i always wanted to know the story of Anakin Skywalker and the Clone Wars. Too bad it was this.

I heard that Lucas was planning to do a sequel to the OT a while back, but then I heard he changed his mind. I hope he never does. He's lost any talent he ever had and he would just completely fuck it up again.

[rock_dash]

I hate to say it, but even he had indeed made a sequel trilogy that was as shitty as what we got, then people would be saying, "Man, he should have made prequels instead! It would have kicked ass to see Anakin's fall to the dark side! Maybe the clone wars could be involved too!"

Search your feelings...you know it to be true.

[Devout Catalyst]

Couldn't agree more!!!

Why, why why this facination for the fall of Vader?  My theory is that George lacked the imagination to pull off sequels.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I think part of it is just George's enormous hubris. He had written the beginnings of a backstory and just couldn't bear to leave well enough alone.

Vader is much better just being mysterious. That he is Luke's father Anakin is fascinating, but anytime anyone tries to tweak the story of such an iconic figure, they're just flirting with disaster.

I was fine "knowing" from the Star Wars fan grapevine that Obi-Wan had battled Anakin, and Anakin fell into the lava pit and was resurrected as Darth Vader. Even as a kid, I never felt any need to see an entire movie, let alone three, leading up to that fateful event.

And no one needed to see young Anakin saying "Yippeeee!" NO ONE.

Yeah, I tend to agree that Lucas just had no real new ideas. Not to mention that he has no clue what made the OT so classic.

[Dark_Sith]

I think he has a complete clue about what he is doing. Otherwise, we wouldn't have the Prequel movies we have today. He shouldn't make the sequels and I'm glad he didn't because it wouldn't make any sense to me. He ended it right. I think he has a complete idea as to what made the OT so classic. He just chose to move in a different direction since this is the backstory we are talking here. I mean, come on.

[Lord Melkor]

Yes, it is his vision, his hundreds of millions of dollars, and still, he has a loyal fanbase!

Objectively, he suceeded on a scale no one did before!

[Lord Melkor]

And yes, there is also Peter Jackson, but Lucas was first!

[Grand Moff Lebowski]

Not only should we NEVER have seen Vader unmasked in ROTJ, we should not have known it was Little Orphan Annie under the hood until ESB.

Follow me:

WE know Vader is Annakin. If Lucas' whole plan is to have this generation of fans be surprised by knowing Annakin becomes Vader and Palpatine is the Emperor then there should be more respect to the impact of "Iam your Father!!" in ESB. Thinking Annakin was dead after EPIII and having this new character emerge as a baddass, maybe even at the end of EPIII but not knowing who it is, would be the best. Grow to hate this new bad guy before you feel sorry for him.

Idiots.

[Devout Catalyst]

The beauty of Empire was that Vader still might have been lying. It was anyone's guess at that point. He was just that kind of bastard.

[BinarySunset]

If he insisted on revisiting the SW universe, it would have worked so much better if he started the saga AFTER the OT, with completely different characters and a brand new story...

...But he wouldn't have run into problems with glaring inconsistencies in technology or plotlines or anything else if he had just started fresh.

Ah, what might have been...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I agree on several things you mentioned.

First, the inconsistencies. Not saying there wouldn't be any at all, but I think there'd probably be a whole lot less if the stories didn't have to go "full circle" and "tie into" something that was already established.

Also, though we don't talk about EU novels much, part of why I love reading them is because I feel like I'm moving forward from ANH. There are a couple of the novels I can visualize as movies, and from the way those particular ones were written, I can fathom some SW films with characters other than Luke, Leia, Lando, Han & Chewie.

Just my $0.02

[Devout Catalyst]

Yeah, Lucas's fixation on tying everything together has just gotten completely out of hand. And he only succeeded in creating more gaps than he patched.

I can accept that Boba Fett and Darth Vader crossed paths at some point prior to the OT, for instance. I can accept that quite a few characters in the OT might have heard mention of Anakin's name without ever having encountered him directly. But when we learn that Anakin was childhood buddies with Greedo and that Anakin built C-3PO and that Boba Fett is the twin brother of all the clone troopers who were the precursors to the Stormtroopers and that Yoda knows Chewbacca and on and on and on, that is just stupid. One coincidence is fine. Five hundred is overkill.

Surely there are any number of unknown characters in the SW universe who have interesting stories of their own.

[StarWarsIsUs]

Peter Jackson is his own man. Lucas isn't.

Another sequel trilogy, eh? Doesn't matter what I say about it. You all will disregard.

This post has been edited by StarWarsIsUs: 17 May 2005 - 04:54 PM

[Primetime]

Yeah, Lucas's fixation on tying everything together has just gotten completely out of hand. And he only succeeded in creating more gaps than he patched.

I can accept that Boba Fett and Darth Vader crossed paths at some point prior to the OT, for instance. I can accept that quite a few characters in the OT might have heard mention of Anakin's name without ever having encountered him directly. But when we learn that Anakin was childhood buddies with Greedo and that Anakin built C-3PO and that Boba Fett is the twin brother of all the clone troopers who were the precursors to the Stormtroopers and that Yoda knows Chewbacca and on and on and on, that is just stupid. One coincidence is fine. Five hundred is overkill.

Surely there are any number of unknown characters in the SW universe who have interesting stories of their own.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[StarWarsIsUs]

YESSSSS! I can feel your anger.