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#16 User is offline   Lord Melkor Icon

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 08:37 AM

Barend, concerning your last question....

DO YOU KNOW WHAT FANTASY IS? It doesn`t have to make sense according to science of our galaxy!

And concerning the main point- Maybe Leia remembers her through the force?!
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 08:39 AM

yes... FANTASY is a place where we can have something like 'the force' without the use of a microscopic symbiotic life from to try and scientifically explain it 20 years later...

isn't it?

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 08:40 AM

QUOTE (barend @ May 17 2005, 09:34 AM)
why does the inhabitable planet of Naboo have an underground sea that runs through it's core at a nice cool temperature?


Ooo! OOO! I can answer that. Midichlorians! tongue.gif
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 08:42 AM

QUOTE (Devout Catalyst @ May 17 2005, 08:40 AM)
Ooo! OOO! I can answer that. Midichlorians!  tongue.gif



yay!!! is there anything they can't explain?!? laugh.gif
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 08:51 AM

So be it, Barend, I bow before the supreme power of your sarcasm!

I am curious what reasons to hate there would be for Revenge, I am going to respond to this list! If it is ever made, of course!

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 08:59 AM

QUOTE (Lord Melkor @ May 17 2005, 08:51 AM)
So be it, Barend, I bow before the supreme power of your sarcasm!


everyone does eventually...
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 09:12 AM

Look at barend's avatar, Melkor. Sarcasm doesn't come any more supreme. And you never addressed his legitimate point, anyway. If it's all just FANTASY as you say then why does Lucas make his half-assed quasi-scientific explanation of the Force?

I'll give my explanation for Naboo's liquid centre: Lucas fell asleep once while watching Total Recall and dreamt that the whole core of Mars is ice. He woke up thinking that was a really cool idea.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 09:20 AM

Hmm, Midichlorians, maybe to show why some people have Force Potential and some not?

To be honest, I don`t like this idea that much either, it reminded me of Dragonball Z!:

Yoda: My midichlorian count, 15 000 it is!

Sidious: Mine is 20 000( bursts into sinister laughter!)
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 10:06 AM

QUOTE (Madam Corvax @ May 17 2005, 10:10 AM)
Oh yes, force gives you also an infrared vision, a pair of gills and a glossy coat and tail.

Padme diad just after the birth, or so I understand from the bunch of spoilerific reviews.
When Padme was dying, she was freaking dying, not sad. Would you describe someone dying as sad? Moreover, would you bring a newborn to watch her mother die?
If she looked into Leia's eyes, why not Luke's eyes? She dies just between giving births?

Why do you have to do this? Why not just admit this is sloppy writing? Why not think for yourself, boyos, instead of just accepting the processed food of propaganda? Accept that Lucas in no fecking God, he is just a guy who can't write and whatever he writes is not a Scripture anyway?

Gosh, I am really worked up. Stop being apologetic, see sense!

It's completely insane. A newborn baby wouldn't even be able to SEE properly, let alone interpret what they saw as 'beautiful' and 'sad' (and doesn't she say 'kind' as well? Heaven knows how she managed to work that one out.) And if she's using the Force to remember her mother (how?) then why on earth can't Luke do the same thing? He's a trained Jedi, whereas Leia doesn't even realise she's Force-sensitive at this point. It's a blatant continuity error, pure and simple, and all the logic-defying excuses in the world won't explain this one away.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 10:08 AM

Well, Lucas can always delete this scene from next dvd version!

He is going to make an ultimate 6 film dvd edition, I heard!

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Posted 17 May 2005 - 10:55 AM

QUOTE (Helena @ May 17 2005, 08:06 AM)
It's completely insane. A newborn baby wouldn't even be able to SEE properly, let alone interpret what they saw as 'beautiful' and 'sad' (and doesn't she say 'kind' as well? Heaven knows how she managed to work that one out.)


When was Padme ever quote unquote "kind"? She put Anakin down in front of her whole staff with her "Oh Anakin's not a Jedi Master, he's still learning." in AOTC and then she's telling him they can't have a relationship while she's wearing a strapless leather dress. What was she trying to do to the guy? Drive his mental and emotional instability up another notch?

Anyway back on topic, yes, it is a very stupid situation with the twins and the births.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 12:44 PM

I always loved that scene in Jedi between Luke and Leia. It was subtle and a bit haunting hearing her talk about her mother.

But no worries, Lucas will fix this little screw-up by changing the dialogue in his 2017 re-release of ROTJ.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 12:46 PM

It is possible that Leia maybe didn't know what she was talking about, and is describing something from scattered, vague dreams she had as a child.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 12:48 PM

QUOTE (Helena @ May 17 2005, 11:06 AM)
It's completely insane. A newborn baby wouldn't even be able to SEE properly, let alone interpret what they saw as 'beautiful' and 'sad' (and doesn't she say 'kind' as well? Heaven knows how she managed to work that one out.) And if she's using the Force to remember her mother (how?) then why on earth can't Luke do the same thing? He's a trained Jedi, whereas Leia doesn't even realise she's Force-sensitive at this point. It's a blatant continuity error, pure and simple, and all the logic-defying excuses in the world won't explain this one away.


Not only that, but if we allow against all the laws of probability that Leia was so strong in latent Force-power that she actually could remember Padme, how could she not have known from the beginning that Luke was her twin brother? Or maybe newborns have incredible force powers from the moment they emerge from the womb, but not a second before. rolleyes.gif

I mean, after spending nine months in the same womb, she should remember Luke as well. I don't know whether they are separated and whisked to different locations the very second they slide out of the birth canal in ROTS, but I'm willing to bet they were together long enough after birth for Leia to have just as much memory of having a twin brother as of her mother.

Yes, I know Leia says in ROTJ, "Somehow I've always known," in reference to Luke being her brother, but we all know that was an afterthought on Lucas's part as well. There is no way that Leia knows Luke is her brother in ANH.
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Posted 17 May 2005 - 01:01 PM

QUOTE (Madam Corvax @ May 17 2005, 06:37 AM)
Yes, but don't you agree that it's still stupid for Leia to remember her mother?


I agree 100%. In addition there are many other details concerning the birth/Padmés death etc. that defy logic. If Padmé dies because of grief wouldn't the birth of the twins give her something to live for? Love for her children would IMHO overcome almosty anything. Protecting her kids from the empire, making sure that they grow up safely. As always Lucas decisions on emotional content is like something out of Monty Python. Consider this slightly illogical chain of events:

1. Padmé falls for Anakin, an unpleasant, whiny psycho.
2. Anakin and Padmé decide to have children.
3. Anakin murders children because he "loves" Padmé and he doesn't wan't to loose her.
4. Anakin hates Padmé for choosing Obi-Wans side and subsequently force chokes her.
5. Padmés "heart is broken" and she gives up on life just after delivering the twins.
6. Leia remembers her mom after a few seconds of eye contact just after her birth.

An oversight or two is forgivable but not every single f**king time. Am I wrong to find a certain amount of perverse pleasure in thrashing Georges stupid storyline?
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