[StarWarsIsUs]

I brought up a good damned point and no one is quoting me. Instead, you are all going off on something that has already been argued.

This post has been edited by StarWarsIsUs: 17 May 2005 - 04:30 PM

[Devout Catalyst]

I will quote you. I will quote you nine times.

[Storm]

If I have come across as a sarcastic jackass, then I consider my skills complete.

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"If you spent as much time practicing your swordplay as you do practicing your wit you would rival Master Yoda as a swordsman."

[StarWarsIsUs]

*claps for Storm* ...

[Veer]

Aside from the fact that even in our world people don't just suddenly die because they figuratively "lose the will to live," this suggests that Padmé willed herself to die. That's even less of a satisfying turn of events than if she had just died in childbirth. From ridiculous to ridiculouser. And it makes her totally selfish and cowardly.

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Well, there are only two ways about it... either she died in childbirth, which would be strange given the advanced medical facilities of the day. Or she died becasue she 'lost the will to live', which dosen't make you happy either.
I have less problems with the event painting Padme's character negatively, becasue all we know of Padme from the OT is that she is beautiful and kinda sad, and this in no way contradicts that.

[Sagacity]

I have less problems with the event painting Padme's character negatively, becasue all we know of Padme from the OT is that she is beautiful and kinda sad, and this in no way contradicts that.

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According to the spoiler, there's no way Leia would have known that.

[Veer]

It is possible that Leia maybe didn't know what she was talking about, and is describing something from scattered, vague dreams she had as a child.

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If that was the case it wouldn't have been in the movie, because it would have been irrelavent.

Besides if we keep that line of reasoning, it leads to can of worms.

[Devout Catalyst]

I have less problems with the event painting Padme's character negatively, becasue all we know of Padme from the OT is that she is beautiful and kinda sad, and this in no way contradicts that.

You're forgetting "kind," which her abandoning her children at birth totally contradicts.

This post has been edited by Devout Catalyst: 17 May 2005 - 04:56 PM

[StarWarsIsUs]

Thank you VEER. THERE IS A GOD! IT'S NAME IS VEER!

[Veer]

According to the spoiler, there's no way Leia would have known that.

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Ofcourse, which is why we're having this discussion. I think I have mentioned elsewhere that I would have preferred for Padme to live for a few years after giving birth to the twins. Anyway, my comment was not related to 'when' Leia dies, but 'why' she dies. We know she has to die eventually anyway. To have her die because of sadness over the loss of Anakin, etc is far more poignant that to have her die of medical or biological reasons.

Edited: Thanks StarWarsIsUs

This post has been edited by Veer: 17 May 2005 - 05:11 PM

[Sagacity]

"Oh, Anakin broke my heart! I can't take it, so I'll bail out on these babies I just gave birth to."

Not poignant at all.

[StarWarsIsUs]

I think you mean Padme, not Leia. Common mistake, don't worry. Naw, it's not common. Very rare mistake.

[Veer]

You're forgetting "kind," which her abandoning her children at birth totally contradicts.

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I don't buy that becasue she abandons her children either way. Going by the arguement Even if she does live, but dies when Leia is 3 or 4, doesn't that make her unkind as well? Afterall she lets Luke be taken away from her at childbirth to live on some desolute (and unsafe) farm in the middle of nowhere, while herself living with Liea somewhere else, and then dieing when Leia is 3-4 (or whatever age), thus abandoing her at a very impressionable age in childhood.

[StarWarsIsUs]

In my prequels, I make it where Nera dies giving birth to the twins, because her body isn't made for giving childbirth, especially to two babies at a time. Nera is a short, thin woman, yet still very very beautiful. I have also changed RETURN OF THE JEDI, so there is no need to say it is inconsistant.

[Veer]

"Oh, Anakin broke my heart! I can't take it, so I'll bail out on these babies I just gave birth to."

Not poignant at all. 

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Well, I think you're being overly harsh on her. The poor girl has been through a lot.
I doubt that 'losing ones will to live' is a conscious decision besides.
Anyway, if I have been spoiled correctly, she begins to die before giving birth, and once the medical droid and Obi-wan (or yoda or whoever) realize that nothing can be done to save her, they move to deliver the children (presumably artificially).