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#1 User is offline   Mnesymone Icon

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Posted 15 May 2005 - 10:41 PM

I have fairly openly expressed the fact that I don't like Menace and Clones.
Yet I am not, except when angered by gushers, a basher.

Revenge of the Sith is coming, and I have dutifully avoided as many spoilers as possible - save the 'Lord Vader, Rise' one that first showed up in the movies and the "The Dark Side will be unleashed" tv spot. Nor have I watched "the Clone Wars" cartoon or any of the licensed affiliations, nor played the games, read the novel, listened to the soundtrack or suchlike.

Some people say that you have to go through all stories to understand Revenge of the Sith - I disagree. You don't have to read the Hobbit or the Silmarillion to read Lord of the Rings, you don't have to read Lord of the Rings to watch Lord of the Rings, you DEFINITELY don't have to watch a cartoon to watch Sith - that would be like saying that the Holiday Special was essential apocrypha to bring to the table to watch Empire Strikes Back.

I have also managed to destroy any preconceived opinion of ROTS - it involved finding a happy thought for the movie.

The Death of Jar Jar: He's in there, I'm sure. If he's in there, he is going to die - so meesa happy.

The movie now hinges on either being good, or Jar Jar dying.
If neither happens, I shall think it sucks, and bash all manner of hell out of it.

If one or the other happens, I shall think it is enjoyable/watchable, and post a nice little review.

If both happens, there is a good chance I will love it, and perhaps I might sing its praises.

I have only a vague idea of what will happen, I have no idea of the order its going to happen in, and I have no expectations either way of the quality of the film.

So I'm placing my bet in the middle.
Anyone else with a bet?
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Posted 15 May 2005 - 11:37 PM

If you don't want spoilers, then you will be very disapointed. I've read the novel and can easily tell you something that will make you hate Jar Jar Binks even more then you do now.

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Posted 15 May 2005 - 11:44 PM

I'll say it, at the risk of losing what little respect I've earned: I don't get the whole "I want to see Jar Jar Binks drawn and quartered" business. Of all of the problems of the prequels he's by far the least.
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 01:42 AM

QUOTE (Mnesymone @ May 15 2005, 10:41 PM)
The Death of Jar Jar: He's in there, I'm sure. If he's in there, he is going to die - so meesa happy.

The movie now hinges on either being good, or Jar Jar dying.
If neither happens, I shall think it sucks, and bash all manner of hell out of it.

I don't understand why people get so annoyed with Jar Jar Binks. He is supposed to be a silly/goofy character. Characters like this attract children to the movies. If I were 8 right now, I would probably love Jar Jar Binks.

It's beyond me how people can hate Jar Jar Binks yet love a complete jackass like Peter Griffin from the Family Guy. Whenever somebody says "Die Jar Jar" or what not, I lose a lot of respect for them because they are just jumping on the bandwagon of hating Jar Jar Binks and really are incapable of forming their own opinions on what to love or hate.

I guarantee 65% of the people on this site will wait for Chef Elf's review before saying anything about ROTS. A large portion of the remainder will instantly say they hate it since it is a safe bet to assume Chef Elf will be disgusted with the movie.

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Posted 16 May 2005 - 03:17 AM

I bet that even if ROTS is the least sucky of the three, eventually (like, within a month) you'll realize that the movie has no heart and soul. You'll realize you don't give a shit about any of the conflict (except maybe some scenes with Palpatine) and then you'll start to see all the little things that you ignored up till that point. And it will get worse.

I bet Lucas is going to deliver some decent, semi-fake looking action scenes and maybe 2 or 3 watchable scenes with Obiwan/Palpatine/Vader (and by "watchable" I mean that you can keep your eyes and ears open and not cringe). I also predict at least 3 story telling mistakes that contradict/ruin existing elements to the Star Wars universe. It will make more money than AOTC (contrary to what Lucas has always implied) and will be heralded as the best of the PT. But you'll always feel this void that a good Star Wars Prequel trilogy could have filled.

By the way, I think TPM will end up being the best of the 3. Hope I'm wrong.
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 09:22 AM

QUOTE (Storm)
I don't understand why people get so annoyed with Jar Jar Binks. He is supposed to be a silly/goofy character. Characters like this attract children to the movies. If I were 8 right now, I would probably love Jar Jar Binks.

It's beyond me how people can hate Jar Jar Binks yet love a complete jackass like Peter Griffin from the Family Guy. Whenever somebody says "Die Jar Jar" or what not, I lose a lot of respect for them because they are just jumping on the bandwagon of hating Jar Jar Binks and really are incapable of forming their own opinions on what to love or hate.

I guarantee 65% of the people on this site will wait for Chef Elf's review before saying anything about ROTS. A large portion of the remainder will instantly say they hate it since it is a safe bet to assume Chef Elf will be disgusted with the movie.


I completly agree with you Storm. I don't see what the big deal is either. So a few people hate him? So what? He wasn't made for you older SW fans. He was made for the kids. Why do you think C3PO and R2-D2 were made? To give comic relief to the movie itself. I don't see what the huge deal is. I love TPM and Jar Jar Binks is fine with me. I even laugh or give a smirk whenever I watch TPM, because that is what he's there for, comic relief. It's just so fucking annoying that people have to be so critical over a minor character, that wasn't even made for the reasons these people put out.
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 09:31 AM

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If you don't want spoilers, then you will be very disapointed. I've read the novel and can easily tell you something that will make you hate Jar Jar Binks even more then you do now.


I'd really be interested in hearing that... I won't be watching the movie at the cinema, so it'll probably be a while before the movie comes out on video... can you please PM me the goods? smile.gif
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 11:00 AM

Clouded by the dark side, our predictions be. Always in motion is the future. I see suffering . . . I see millions of people forking over their hard earned cash. I see Yoda selling Pepsi, Chewbacca hawking cereal, Lord Vader urging us to buy more Snickers . . .
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 11:27 AM

Here is a sampling of some of the positive reviews from rottentomatoes.com:

"A good film, but just not the classic it could have been."

"Finally, Lucas recaptures some of the magic!"

"Mercifully, Revenge Of The Sith is (deep sigh) light-years ahead of the turgid Menace and the undercooked Clones."

"Oh my...it's not near as good as you may have heard."

"Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith ... is without doubt the best of the three most recent films. That's not exactly high praise..."

"The more casual fan may be left feeling like Revenge of the Sith scores a technical knockout rather than the real thing."

"Thank the movie gods this one is better than the two previous Star Wars films."

"For every thrilling space battle or lightsaber dual you get, you get two scenes with embarrassingly bad dialogue and line delivery."

"A flawed masterpiece."

"Revenge of the Sith was the film that should have salvaged the prequels. It doesn’t."

Looking these over, I have to exclaim.....these are supposed to be positive!? Granted, there are a lot of reviews that say "this is great stuff, etc.", but I found it funny that there is an undercurrent of "settling for" or reluctant acclaim. If the movie is so good, why do these critics have to cough up a half-arsed compliment?

My prediction: Revenge of the Sith is Awful, awful, awful. It will go down as the worst Star Wars film ever. Lucas has given up trying and has plunged into the darkside of deepest vulgarity. He reveals his self-loathing and hatred for life in a movie that glorifys an existence devoid of humanity in all its weakness and wonder.

Oh tell me, where is fancy bread? Is it in the heart or in the head? WE are the music makers and WE are the dreamers of dreams.

Its absolutely amazing. Here we have the thuggish horror of Darth Vader and his Machine Empire personified by George Lucas and his handling of the franchise. He was the best Star Pilot in the galaxy until he was corrupted by evil. Its exactly what Campbell was talking about when he saw a man in a restaurant who personified Babbitt. "Look at me, I never got to do anything I wanted to in all of my life!"

You can't defeat Vader/Lucas this time. He won't listen to you this time. You will see the movie because you have no choice. Remember, it's 1984 and you must save for hate week like everyone else. *I* won't look at crap and call it King, however. I'm going to mock it and laugh at it as human folly. Because the FOOL rules and he always takes us back to the beginning again. I will not give in to the brainwashing! I will resist!

I want faith and magic and love and wonder, so I'm jumping off into the abyss rather than submit.

Because *that's* the moment when Vader Cracks. *The System* is only one side of the coin.

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Posted 16 May 2005 - 12:19 PM

It isn't going to show Jar Jar Binks dieing. I've read some articles from TheForce.net
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 12:45 PM

Actually, Jar Jar goes down bravely in the Jedi purge, only to reappear in another "Special Editon" with the ghosts of Ben, Yoda, and Hayden at the end of Return of the Jedi.
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 02:23 PM

Dark Sith wrote -

"-I've read the novel and can easily tell you something that will make you hate Jar Jar Binks even more then you do now.-"

I read the novel too and I don't remember Jar Jar in it at all?

My take on the story, dialouge, and knowing what it will look like overall based on the first two and the Art of Revenge of the Sith book....

RotS will be better than the first two. But that's not saying very much at all.

I think that's looking to be pretty much the most common review of if from the reviewers who've gotten to see it already.

It's got the only ideas lucas had from way back when. The stuff we've been wanting to see for decades. Everything else fit right in with the mostly disposable garbage of the first two.
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 02:38 PM

""Actually, Jar Jar goes down bravely in the Jedi purge, only to reappear in another "Special Editon" with the ghosts of Ben, Yoda, and Hayden at the end of Return of the Jedi. ""

Believe me, if that ever happens, I will go burn every copy of Star Wars VHS & DVD that I can find.
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