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Posted 06 May 2005 - 10:27 AM

Rotten Tomatoes

ROTS is at 100% right now, lest see how long it lasts.

i don't have the stamina to read any of the suck up reviews, can someone do it for me? tongue.gif
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Posted 06 May 2005 - 10:35 AM

Two gushing reviews . . . Though to their credit, at least one of them notes how awful PT and AOTC were (including the phoniness of the special effects).
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Posted 06 May 2005 - 10:40 AM

QUOTE (Primetime @ May 6 2005, 10:35 AM)
Two gushing reviews . . . Though to their credit, at least one of them notes how awful PT and AOTC were (including the phoniness of the special effects).



"PT" was supposed to be PM (hope y'all guessed that).
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 09:50 AM

It's holding at 92% so far. Universal consensus seems to be that it's much better than AOTC. Walter Chaw, first of the "Wells index" critics to post, gave it two stars, as opposed to one-half star for AOTC.

I'm cautiously optimistic. While half my problems with the PT are philosophical, of the "Greedo shot first" variety, TPM was a mediocre film and AOTC was a bad one, geek ideology aside. While ROTS may be vexing on ideological grounds, if it's a good movie, I'll go see it.
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 10:34 AM

Damn.....a few of the reviews almost have me fooled to the quality of the film

"Finally, Lucas recaptures some of the magic!"

"A rousing and tragic sendoff to a beloved franchise, and the best installment in the Star Wars series since 1980's The Empire Strikes Back."

"Whatever one thought of the previous two installments, this dynamic picture irons out most of the problems, and emerges as the best in the overall series since The Empire Strikes Back."

"Will be remembered as one of the greatest movies ever made. 'Classic' isn't kind enough a word for this gem. The best film to be unleashed onto the public in 25 years!" (This one reeks of a gusher)

As Luke said to Yoda on Dagobah-I, I dont believe it. Than again, its not hard to top TPM and AOTC...But better than ROTJ? (even with it's many problems)

"For every thrilling space battle or lightsaber dual you get, you get two scenes with embarrassingly bad dialogue and line delivery."

"A good film, but just not the classic it could have been."

Now thats more what Im expecting.

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 12:15 PM

QUOTE (Michel Orla)
"Will be remembered as one of the greatest movies ever made. 'Classic' isn't kind enough a word for this gem. The best film to be unleashed onto the public in 25 years!"


That one's either a joke or someone hoping Lucas will reward his suckuppery with a free trip to wine country, etc.

My feeling here is that I'm not surprised this movie is getting better reviews than the previous two, because Lucas basically has nowhere to go but up. Of course I said that after "Phantom Menace" came out, but man was I wrong. In any case, this time he's got nothing to do but tie up loose ends and as such he hasn't left himself much room to bore us with stupid, useless plot twists and bad dialogue (though I'm sure there'll be some of both in there). Due to the fact that Lucas did NOT create an intricate plot interwoven throughout all three films, he doesn't have to worry about creating any real story or resolving any real conflicts in the 3rd movie. All he has to do is give us the stuff we've been waiting to see for 20 years. As such, since the film isn't as bad as it could be- it automatically gets better reviews. Of course the film COULD be much much better, but where George Lucas is concerned, everyone's standards have now been lowered to the point where if he just doesn't make a TERRIBLE movie- it's considered a success.

One thing that I think is going to help ROTS is the fact that deep down, people really WANT to like the new "Star Wars" movies. We've had love in our hearts for Star Wars for 20 years and we so so so want to embrace the new films, but it's just so difficult, because for the most part- they're awful.

So when along comes a film that's not AS bad as the last two, people feel it's finally their chance to embrace Star Wars again and say things like "the magic is back," etc. Of course the magic is NOT back and with Lucas at the helm it's never coming back, but it seems like ROTS is as close as we're going to get (closer than the last 2 films anyhow) so if you were ever going to embrace "Star Wars," you better do it now. The bottom line is that it feels good to like Star Wars. More than liking the films, it feels good to like the franchise. And people are determined to do that, whether the franchise deserves it or not. It makes you feel like a kid again, brings you back to a simpler time, what have you. It's an empty feeling, because deep down you know it's not all that genuine, but for the next month or so, we're all going to love Star Wars again (or we're all going to act like we do) and it'll feel good.

Now of course I haven't seen ROTS and who knows- maybe it's utterly brilliant and I'm just dead wrong about all this. But all I know is that based on the last two movies and the man who made them- I find it HIGHLY unlikely that somehow ROTS has "reversed the curse," if you will. These reviews I'm reading just seem impossibly incorrect to me. How can the man who made the last two horrible Star Wars movies have suddenly done a complete 180 and made a brilliant movie? I guess it's possible, but it's highly unlikely. And from what I've seen from the trailers, screenplay and various clips- that 180 is ONLY in the minds of the reviewers and extreme gushers. Again I say that our Star Wars standards have been lowered to the point where if it's not AS bad as the last two films- it seems brilliant by comparison. But I really can't fathom how anyone who's a fan of the original trilogy can look at anything made by Lucas today and say it's as good or better than films from the OT. Anyone who can do that is either totally brainwashed or just totally insane. The magic just isn't there and no matter how much we want it- it ain't coming back.

ROTS is going to be a bad movie and the only truly good thing about it is that it represents the END of Star Wars, once and for all.

But once again, just to avoid getting screamed at, I must point that I haven't seen the film and I could be wrong.

I don't think I am, though.

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 01:10 PM

QUOTE (snaithbert @ May 10 2005, 12:15 PM)
My feeling here is that I'm not surprised this movie is getting better reviews than the previous two, because Lucas basically has nowhere to go but up. Of course I said that after "Phantom Menace" came out, but man was I wrong. In any case, this time he's got nothing to do but tie up loose ends and as such he hasn't left himself much room to bore us with stupid, useless plot twists and bad dialogue (though I'm sure there'll be some of both in there). Due to the fact that Lucas did NOT create an intricate plot interwoven throughout all three films, he doesn't have to worry about  creating any real story or resolving any real conflicts in the 3rd movie. All he has to do is give us the stuff we've been waiting to see for 20 years. As such, since the film isn't as bad as it could be- it automatically gets better reviews. Of course the film COULD be much much better, but where George Lucas is concerned, everyone's standards have now been lowered to the point where if he just doesn't make a TERRIBLE movie- it's considered a success.




And when he did have plot issues to resolve in the last trilogy he handled it without imagination and very cheaply (the "Other", Lando, Han and Leia's relationship) So your right, without having to deal with heavy plot elements from the first two he can focus on things he at least knows how to write...though I'll cringe each time Padme and Anakin are on screen together (why does he insist on writing romantic scenes when he has no clue how to do it properly. Good directors and writers focus on their strengths...Lucas seems to have this God complex he has no weakness in any area rolleyes.gif )

After the last two, any non gushing Star Wars fans have NO expectations. So lets all hope those of us who see it are pleasantly surprised....If we don't fall into the mindset this film can match ANH or ESB...at best it might be comparable to ROTJ
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 01:11 PM

""That one's either a joke or someone hoping Lucas will reward his suckuppery with a free trip to wine country, etc""

Thats a quality statement. Doubt Lucas will even care that much, if he ever has seen it, or will see it. The man is pretty apathetic to the fans.
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