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Posted 30 April 2005 - 11:37 AM

QUOTE (Mnesymone @ Apr 30 2005, 05:49 AM)
There were cut scenes from Empire of Yoda doing the seeker-ball training, or at least scenes that were present in the novels and screenplays but not in the movie.
Ben did the seeker-ball thing with Luke in Star Wars - maybe Luke could have practiced with the remote at some point.


Right. This was better explained in the book. I've always felt that ESB could have used a little more of that. It wouldn't have had to be much, a few second cut scene of Luke against the six remotes.
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Posted 30 April 2005 - 12:34 PM

it is also never mentioned in the movies how luke learned to build a lightsaber, and what it is about lightsaber building that completes your skills. as an audience, we have to assume there are answers to the questions not relevant to the events. imagine how long and meticulous the movies would be if every little thing were explained on camera.
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Posted 30 April 2005 - 12:59 PM

C'mon xenduck, if they did that there would be far too much material
to change in subseqent editions. wink.gif

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Posted 30 April 2005 - 07:47 PM

Luke constructing his lightsabers between movies isn't important enough to show on film. Justl like Luke doing push-ups between films or something.

Plus, the EU handled it in Shadows of the Empire. He visits Obi-Wan's hutt and finds some Jedi training books about saber building. Yoda prolly taught him a ton of shit too.

Its not important.
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Posted 30 April 2005 - 08:56 PM

QUOTE (xenduck @ Apr 30 2005, 12:34 PM)
it is also never mentioned in the movies how luke learned to build a lightsaber, and what it is about lightsaber building that completes your skills. as an audience, we have to assume there are answers to the questions not relevant to the events. imagine how long and meticulous the movies would be if every little thing were explained on camera.


uh, i know its not important, and i have read/played the game, shadows of the empire. my point is that lots of stuff happens off screen. like luke being told about midichlorians; for example. tongue.gif

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 12:29 PM

So Yoda was a mechanical and an electrical engineer? I've done a bit of amateur electronic work but I probably couldn't build my own cellular phone even after a year of EE classes. And I'm guessing that a lightsabre is a complicated apparatus, all the more so because it needs to be compact.

This is a class case of "don't tell me how it works" in fiction. I'll accept the impossible so long as you don't try to explain it. In original (and the only good) Star Trek things like the warp drive and the transporter were just there. In TNG the writers piled on these risible quasi-scientific explanations, using scientific and technical terms at random as though they pulled them randomly out of an encyclopaedia; it was just one of the many reasons why the show sucked.

Telling us that Luke made his own lightsabre is OK. Impossible, but OK. Trying to rationalise it by saying that Yoda taught him to do it or that he found some owner's manuals somewhere is embarrassing.

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Posted 01 May 2005 - 07:07 PM

"Telling us that Luke made his own lightsabre is OK. Impossible, but OK. Trying to rationalise it by saying that Yoda taught him to do it or that he found some owner's manuals somewhere is embarrassing."

Right, but it is often interesting to see how some things are done. Scenes like that, with Vader saying Luke has completed his training by making a new lightsaber, makes you wander, and therefore some people go to different sources. In this case, Lucas tells us that the lightsaber has mirrors, crystals and the such inside of it, and goes on about details that we don't need to know.
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Posted 01 May 2005 - 07:51 PM

I've never understood why constructing your own lightsaber should matter. How many swordfighters forge their own swords? Some, I'd imagine, but it's not exactly a necessary skill.
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Posted 01 May 2005 - 08:35 PM

Q: How did Luke learn how to swordfight?

A: I would imagine he learnt the basics himself sometime between Star Wars and ESB. After all, he hardly uses the force at all in Star wars, while in the begining of ESB he is able to summon his lightsaber to him in the wampa cave.
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Posted 01 May 2005 - 08:37 PM

QUOTE (Chefelf @ May 1 2005, 05:51 PM)
I've never understood why constructing your own lightsaber should matter.  How many swordfighters forge their own swords?  Some, I'd imagine, but it's not exactly a necessary skill.


I would imagine it's a sign of skill, or that the Jedui has reached a certian level of knowledge and discipline. certianly lightsabers can't be easy of manufacture. I doubt their mass produced factories.
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Posted 01 May 2005 - 09:02 PM

One reason is simply that Luke needs to have a lightsabre and where else could he get one? Having him build his own isn't really a satisfactory explanation but it's probably the simplest. I doubt whether Luke could pop round to the local sporting goods store or gun shop and pick up a lightsabre.
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Posted 01 May 2005 - 09:54 PM

Maybe he killed a jedi for it.
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Posted 01 May 2005 - 11:56 PM

funny. Old GL thought things through: "Hm...Luke lost his lightsaber. He needs a new one. He can't go to dagobah yet. What to do? Let have him just build one. Problem solved moving on."

New GL fixes problems that don't exist and over explain things that don't need explaining. Like midichlorians.
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Posted 02 May 2005 - 12:28 AM

QUOTE (Chefelf @ May 1 2005, 07:51 PM)
I've never understood why constructing your own lightsaber should matter.  How many swordfighters forge their own swords?  Some, I'd imagine, but it's not exactly a necessary skill.


when you've only been trained in one weapon, and it's an energy weapon, and you only travel in groups no bigger than two... you'd pretty much want to know who to fix the damn thing.

especially when the one weapon you know how to use is no where near as heavy as it potential substitutes: branch, sword, club, pole, axle, bantha-artificial-insemination tube, etc.


QUOTE (xenduck @ Apr 30 2005, 08:56 PM)
...like luke being told about midichlorians; for example.  tongue.gif


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