[ernesttomlinson]

Simple enough question. Obi-Wan was only starting to teach him before the Millennium Falcon was captured and Obi-Wan killed. By ESB he already knew (unless you postulate that Yoda taught him, which seems unlikely.)

So does Force ability automatically turn young Jedi apprentices into Basil Rathbone?

[HK 47]

I always saw lightsaber skills as a direct extension of the Jedis ability to harness the Force. The better a Jedi could control the Force the better he could use a lightsaber. No specific swordplay training necessary. This theory was of course utterly destroyed by the Dooku/Yoda duel: "Since we cannot decide this contest by our knowledge of the Force..." :angry:

So yeah, in the OT the Force makes Jedi Rathbonishly good with the lightsaber!

Edit: "It controls my actions?" "Partially, but it also obeys your commands"

This post has been edited by HK 47: 29 April 2005 - 02:26 PM

[Just another wretched fan]

i wouldn't be suprised if yoda taught him a little, too

most likely,(if he was a real fencing teacher)....no sword, just footwork

[StarWarsIsUs]

K 47 hit the nail on the head. Good job on using quotes from the OT to back up your theory.

[Despondent]

K 47 hit the nail on the head. Good job on using quotes from the OT to back up your theory.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yeah. Too bad OT text is vacantly ignored.

[xenduck]

like quotes? how bout, "if you spent as much time practicing your saber techniques as you do your wit, you'd rival master yoda as a swordsmen."?

the key word being 'practice'; not 'training'. we dont see anyone being trained to fight, just to deflect blaster bolts. deflecting is a focusing exercise, not a technique. so i think your right about natural ability flowing from the force. yet we may assume, like various other swordmen (musashi comes to mind) luke taught himself to fight, taking nature as his guide. plus there's this whole war thing going on, he has on-the-job training.
you dont need to be taught force push, or pull, or speed, or jump, or choke, they are diffrent skills developed through practice, just like sabre fighting is a skill, just as Dooku says it is. you practice one skill at the cost of not practicing another. thats how i see it, anyway.

This post has been edited by xenduck: 29 April 2005 - 05:49 PM

[ernesttomlinson]

"On the job training"? To get training you've got to have someone else with a sword to fight and Luke by the beginning of ESB has had no one to fight. Until he meets Vader he's the only person he knows who carries a lightsabre. You don't learn swordsmanship by cutting down guys with blasters.

[StarWarsIsUs]

"you dont need to be taught force push, or pull, or speed, or jump, or choke, they are diffrent skills developed through practice"

I agree with you on that. But why not draw from the OT instead of the Psuedo-Prequel? You brought up good points, but your references tend to keep pointing towards the PT, and we can tell you are doing that just to piss us off.

[DragonLord]

you dont need to be taught force push, or pull, or speed, or jump, or choke, they are diffrent skills developed through practice, just like sabre fighting is a skill, just as Dooku says it is. you practice one skill at the cost of not practicing another. thats how i see it, anyway.

But forcepush etc are skills that are related to a jedi's knowledge of the force.

Doku:
"It is obvious this contest will not be decided
by our knowledge of the Force, but by our skills with a
lightsaber."

This line makes a jedi's knowledge/ability of the force totally unrelated to his sabrefighting skills. Which I'm not too fond of, as I see things the same way HK 47 does.

Man that whole scene with Doku and Yoda sucked on so many levels

[Despondent]

QUOTE(StarWarsIsUs @ Apr 29 2005, 04:53 PM)
K 47 hit the nail on the head. Good job on using quotes from the OT to back up your theory.

like quotes?
you dont need to be taught force push, or pull, or speed, or jump, or choke, they are diffrent skills developed through practice, just like sabre fighting is a skill, just as Dooku says it is. you practice one skill at the cost of not practicing another. thats how i see it, anyway.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Even without midichorians or the Wampa eating in the other room Luke didn't require particular training or ghostly Ben's suggestion to force yank his light saber from the icy ceiling.

It happened, it was cool.

I'd rather see more of that kind of stuff than boring councils. Yoda is as much to blame as everything else. What right does he have to be on Jeff Gordon's race car?

But you're welcome to see it your way, xenduck. We allow Jariten that right.

[J m HofMarN]

Swordfighting is a skill that, let's face it, no boy grows up without. If sticks are present, kids will learn how to swordight. There is also a correlation between this phenomenon and their mothers mentioning them taking out eachothers eyes.

But yeah, as a self-taught swordsman I have to say its not that difficult. However, with a lightsaber training is harder. I've hit myself, particularly on the legs and hips, maybe five times in the years I've practiced. With a sword you can turn the blade and its just a nasty slap. Lightsabers do not allow this option.

I also imagine that they are wierd to use since the blade weighs virtually nothing.

[xenduck]

ah crap. you snagged me on that DL. i dont know what to say about that, ill have to think more on it. but ya, that line of dooku's is crappy... and it was someone else who brought up the PT in this topic before me. i was quoting the PT to counter that argument (though not very well) i dont do it to piss anyone off; in the end, im just trying to help, and be helped with logically understanding the movies...if they can be logically understood...

This post has been edited by xenduck: 30 April 2005 - 01:19 AM

[barend]

everybody knows basic sword fighting...
(if you don't to bad). it's a stick shaped thing... you hit people with it...
the blade is made of magnetiaclly-contained high-velocity-electrons, the handle is a metal casing, housing a few small crystals, a battery some coils, whatever else... it would fuck all effort to move (compared to a claymore)...

also... i'm sure he spent more time being taught basics by Obiwan... but a montage would have taken up too much time...
they give you a basic idea that he was learning something.

he was probably on dagobar for quite a while, as it was all in sinc with hen and leia, who flew from system to system without a hyperdrive...

he caould have been on that swamp with yoda for nearly a year... (just saying)

yoda probably levetated and hurled rocks at him that he had block...
i doubt lukes training was literely all we saw (for starters he had to take his flight suit off at somepoint but they didn't show that)

best to let this one go...

unless you want the PT:gusher explanation...

like, the midiclorines gave him the knowledge...

[xenduck]

id resent that, if the smiley face werent so adorable...

[Mnesymone]

There were cut scenes from Empire of Yoda doing the seeker-ball training, or at least scenes that were present in the novels and screenplays but not in the movie.
Ben did the seeker-ball thing with Luke in Star Wars - maybe Luke could have practiced with the remote at some point.
Also the lightsaber is not just a high tech sword, its got entirely different dynamics and weight distribution - it would not require a similar or even comparable training regimen to a sword.