This post has been edited by Nicholas_Skywalker: 28 April 2005 - 06:38 AM
Random thoughts
#16
Posted 28 April 2005 - 06:35 AM
#17
Posted 28 April 2005 - 06:48 AM
Ernesttomlinson, your point about the 'Star Wars' website is an apt one. I've thought the same thing. Take General Grievous for instance. He's a great example.
This is a character from a movie we haven't even seen yet and already we're hearing gushers going on about how "badass" he is, etc etc. And there'll all getting it from the official website.
You're also right about the fake history for all the characters. I'm like you on another matter... I don't even know who all of these stupid characters are.
For instance, I didn't even realise that Bail Organa was in Episode II until Chefelf pointed it out. I suspect this may have to do with the fact that his name wasn't even mentioned once.
So how was I supposed who this guy was and what he did during the film? I guess I should have looked at the website. Silly me... I naively thought the movie would have made these things clear.
#18
Posted 28 April 2005 - 06:48 AM
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#19
Posted 28 April 2005 - 06:54 AM
ahmm all during episode 1 he was a good character and most of episode II his a good character and about half of episode III his a good character! and the end of rotj he turns back into the good character he was and becomes one with the force and becomes a jedi ghost.
#20
Posted 28 April 2005 - 06:57 AM
Ernesttomlinson, your point about the 'Star Wars' website is an apt one. I've thought the same thing. Take General Grievous for instance. He's a great example.
This is a character from a movie we haven't even seen yet and already we're hearing gushers going on about how "badass" he is, etc etc. And there'll all getting it from the official website.
You're also right about the fake history for all the characters. I'm like you on another matter... I don't even know who all of these stupid characters are.
For instance, I didn't even realise that Bail Organa was in Episode II until Chefelf pointed it out. I suspect this may have to do with the fact that his name wasn't even mentioned once.
So how was I supposed who this guy was and what he did during the film? I guess I should have looked at the website. Silly me... I naively thought the movie would have made these things clear.
#21
Posted 28 April 2005 - 07:03 AM
RotJ was made before the Prequels, so it makes no difference. Vader was a bad guy for 95% of the OT; at the end he's a redeemed villain, not a hero. His death is moving but it's not the same as the death of an actual good guy.
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#22
Posted 28 April 2005 - 07:35 AM
Yes he is a hero, he brought balance to the force he killed EVIL. In star wars the emperor is the EVIL of the universe and he destroyed it.
#23
Posted 28 April 2005 - 07:41 AM
Look, I will say this one more time: All that crap about 'bringing balance to the Force' was NOT IN THE OT. RotJ was made BEFORE the Prequels, so any argument from that point of view is moot. And the Vader of the OT was not a hero; he was a torturer and mass murderer who'd blown up planets and slaughtered thousands of people. Despite his deathbed repentence, there is absolutely no way he can be regarded as a 'hero'.
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#24
Posted 28 April 2005 - 07:45 AM
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#25
Posted 28 April 2005 - 07:56 AM
None of this changes the fact that during the OT, Vader was a villain. And frankly, nothing I've seen of his behaviour in the Prequels has done anything to alter my opinion of him - in fact, if anything they've made me less sympathetic towards him. Anakin was described in the OT as a 'good man'; in the Prequels he's just an emotionally retarded whinging brat.
By the way, I do know who Ned Kelly was (our equivalent would be someone like Ronnie Biggs, the Great Train Robber) - and the fact that someone like that could be considered a 'hero' is utterly pathetic. People who rob banks and murder other people are criminals, not heros. Are you seriously trying to defend Vader's behaviour?
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#26
Posted 28 April 2005 - 08:01 AM
By the way, I do know who Ned Kelly was (our equivalent would be someone like Ronnie Biggs, the Great Train Robber) - and the fact that someone like that could be considered a 'hero' is utterly pathetic. People who rob banks and murder other people are criminals, not heros. Are you seriously trying to defend Vader's behaviour?
I was just showing evidence that situations like this (obviously not as bad) has happend and they have become hero's. I dont see ned kelly as a hero though, there was a movie recently about him and it was such bullshit. It really made him look like a good guy but in real life he was no more then a common thief and murderor though in the movie his like robin hood "steals from the rich and gives to the poor" its bullshit.
#27
Posted 28 April 2005 - 08:02 AM
Precisely.
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#29
Posted 28 April 2005 - 08:15 AM
OK, you know what? With that last post you just lost any remaining smidgen of respect I had for you. I'm not going to discuss this or anything else with you any more. FUCK OFF.
- J m HofMarN on the Sand People
#30
Posted 28 April 2005 - 08:18 AM
is it because im black?