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i dont know where you get your delusions... midichlorains made easy!!!

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 12:02 PM

i think i speak for EVERYONE here when i say that if i COULD use the force, i would. so why isnt everyone, or at least almost everyone, using the force in star wars??? why dont we see more people trying to use it?
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 01:17 PM

Because the Force didn't choose them.... not because they had a low midi count. AND probably because they wouldn't devote themselves to majority of their life to training and avoiding self-indulgence...

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 01:28 PM

The force is about consciousness. To use the force you have to raise your consciousness. How do you raise consciousness? The secret to becoming whole is a profound secret. No one can give you the formula. They can only provide you with signs such as "go here" or "try this". As Joseph Campbell said, "the final trick you have to do yourself."

Contrast to Midichlorines. How do I culture those buggers so I can give myself an injection and become a Jedi? Once the means are known, its automatic (thus, no consciousness required). All I need to buy a Level 50 Everquest Character with Force Powers then is to outbid the other sucker on Ebay.

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 02:01 PM

curtis, you mean that the force does acctually pick and choose who will be a jedi? how does it decide, how do the chosen know they are chosen?
rangwe, midis dont make you whole. having midis and using midis are completely different things. the midis are what say "go here" or "try this". the rest is up to the individual to achieve.
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 02:11 PM

QUOTE (xenduck @ May 10 2005, 02:01 PM)
the midis are what say "go here" or "try this". the rest is up to the individual to achieve.


Is it okay for me to find a microscopic organism saying "go here" or "try this" profoundly hilarious?
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 02:58 PM

Midichlorine injection: Check.
Electrode stimulator with pre-programmed matrix-chips: Check.

Looks like I'm ready to use the force!

*turns dial* "Okay force-a-loids, make me fly into the air!"
Midichlorines: "Fly into the air."
"Wha-hoooooooo! Yipeeee!"

No intelligence required. Just a credit card.

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 03:02 PM

curtis, you mean that the force does acctually pick and choose who will be a jedi? how does it decide, how do the chosen know they are chosen?

Because they can start doing things others can't! (e.g. Luke being a better pilot than anyone else on Tatooine). They sense things, feel things... things the 'not-chosen' wouldn't feel/experience. And, if their talent is "latent" then another Jedi (or Sith) would sense them and approach them and offer assistance (kill them).

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Posted 10 May 2005 - 04:11 PM

yes, jw, you may find it hilarious. and profound. its hilarious as someone suggesting there is an invisble energy out there influencing our lives. its as hilarious as trusting your gut. its as hilarious as following your heart. its as hilarious as a soul or a spirit. its as hilarious as laser swords and deathstars. its as hilarious as little green men. its all so F*ing hilarious!

rangwe, are you joking? or do you really believe that lucas was suggesting that midichlorians were all there was to the force? i've seen all five movies dozens of times but i still must be missing the part when lucas says 'midichlorains are all it takes to be a jedi.'

so curtis, you agree that not everyone can be a jedi, correct? that from birth you either have the potential or you dont and that the power may manifest itself without training? do midis contradict this view?
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 05:22 PM

QUOTE (xenduck @ May 10 2005, 04:11 PM)
yes, jw, you may find it hilarious. and profound. its hilarious as someone suggesting there is an invisble energy out there influencing our lives. its as hilarious as trusting your gut. its as hilarious as following your heart. its as hilarious as a soul or a spirit. its as hilarious as laser swords and deathstars. its as hilarious as little green men. its all so F*ing hilarious!


You are conflating my position somewhat. Look, I'm a Lutheran. The idea that a transcendent force might make suggestions to me on what to do is not exactly foreign to my world view. But if I had a pastor start explaining that what I was really hearing was tiny organelles floating around in my bloodstream, I'd laugh myself silly.

I have no problem believing that "The Force" can influence people in the context of Star Wars movies. What I do have a problem with is the bizarre way in which the PT tries to mix the mystical (the Force) with the material (microorganisms). It's not necessary to the plot that we know how the Force works, so when George Lucas includes a silly way of explaining it, it detracts from the series.

"Midichlorian" is so close to "Mitochondrion" I'd be very surprised if this wasn't the source of the term. Mitochondria are awfully important to animal life, but they are not mystical. As I've said before, we don't go around saying "May the oxygen be with you".
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 08:12 PM

may the tapeworms be with you
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 08:22 PM

One of the things - midichlorians provide guidance, or so we are told to believe. Qui-Gon's 'when you calm yourself you can hear all those tiny whisperings?'... so Anakin's high midichlorian count must mean he receives more guidance, but he's so misguided? He must be making a serious effort to not pay any attention to his midis.

Incidentally, Anakin was also, Qui-Gon believed, supposed to have been conceived by midichlorians.
So my question is: HOW IN HELL DID THAT HAPPEN?
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Posted 10 May 2005 - 11:10 PM

midichorians can do anything Mnes.

ANYTHING!!!

how did that planet disapear off the charts?
how did the lights side loose their grip on the force?
how did R2D2 learn to fly?
why did Owen forget C3P0?
what changed obiwans memory of anikan?

MIDICHLORIANS!!!
MIDICHLORIANS!!!
MIDICHLORIANS!!!


each midichlorian has a batman utility belt, with shark repelant and un bugged person tracker!!! They're even more convinient then "magic"

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Posted 11 May 2005 - 12:14 AM

so curtis, you agree that not everyone can be a jedi, correct? that from birth you either have the potential or you dont and that the power may manifest itself without training? do midis contradict this view?

I know where you're head with this and you're not going to paint me into a corner with it.

I think you have to go back to the statement, "May the Force be with you," and think about how that relates to midichlorians.

I'll have a full statement on that tomorrow after I've got some rest.

This post has been edited by CowboyCurtis: 11 May 2005 - 12:38 AM

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Posted 11 May 2005 - 01:47 AM

QUOTE (JW Wells @ May 10 2005, 06:22 PM)
But if I had a pastor start explaining that what I was really hearing was tiny organelles floating around in my bloodstream, I'd laugh myself silly.
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What I do have a problem with is the bizarre way in which the PT tries to mix the mystical (the Force) with the material (microorganisms).  It's not necessary to the plot that we know how the Force works, so when George Lucas includes a silly way of explaining it, it detracts from the series.


Bingo! The real problem here is that people have a hard time equating spirituality with matter. That's because our culture embraces Western religions that are cut off from nature. Not so with Eastern religions. Not so with the Force, which binds all things together.

Here's an analogy: I love my girlfriend, I really do. But if you told me that my "love" was really a bunch of hormones floating around in my bloodstr--

--oh, wait a minute. Love *is* a product of hormones, isn't it? Does that make my love any less real?
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Posted 11 May 2005 - 04:30 AM

Signing back into the thread that wouldn't die.....

QUOTE (JW Wells @ May 11 2005, 08:22 AM)
I have no problem believing that "The Force" can influence people in the context of Star Wars movies.  What I do have a problem with is the bizarre way in which the PT tries to mix the mystical (the Force) with the material (microorganisms).

But the OT mixed the mystical (The Force) with the material (a body of flesh and blood). All religions or philosophies that believe in a non-physical reality such as the soul which somehow interacts with a physical being (body and more importantly brain) face this dilemma. The philosophical position is known as Cartesian dualism and it raises a lot of questions/problems. The exact same questions/problems that people here are endlessly debating. Specifically - how does something purely spiritual interact with somehthing that is purely physical?
Cartesian Dualism used to be taken for granted as an explanation of the way things were just as the existance of the soul was once more or less universally accepted. Then came the Age of Enlightenment, Darwin, the end of vitalism as a serious scientific theory, a modern understanding of the brain etc. Basically more and more of life, behaviour and human experience began to be explicable in scientific terms, without any appeal to mysticism - the domain of the spiritual was in retreat. and CD suddenly looked a lot less appealing.
Back to SW. If all this stuff really bothers you, the bad news is that you aren't going to fix any of these problems in the SW Universe by doing away with midichlorians. You would have to get rid of the force itself. But who the f&*k wants to do that? Option two is not to worry about it.
Now this is a separate point to that of whether you think midichlorians don't fit in the SW universe, you don't like their implications, you don't like the name etc. But as to mixing the mystical with the physical thats been in SW since day one.
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"Midichlorian" is so close to "Mitochondrion" I'd be very surprised if this wasn't the source of the term.

This has been pointed out many times and I too am quite certain this is the source of the name. GL may have even confirmed it in a quote.
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Mitochondria are awfully important to animal life, but they are not mystical.  As I've said before, we don't go around saying "May the oxygen be with you".

People are living beings but they do not create nor are they sustained by a mystical energy field that some people can use to do amazing things. The SW Universe is obviously very different to our own.
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