[HK 47]

Because he thinks Sidious can teach him how to prevent Padme from dying (because he had a dream about it).

This looks promising for the Episode III Reasons to Hate list. Sacrificing everything for love is indeed a mythological classic, but in the hands of Lucas I doubt it'll have the desired effect. Slaughtering everyone in the Jedi temple and the separatists for Padmé? Blindly following the orders of Sidious to save his loved one? Because he foresees her death in a dream...

[Despondent]

Hmm, maybe Lucas saw the demise of SW in a dream.

Might explain the destruction and decapitation of what WE loved anyway.

[DragonLord]

Yeah I read the same thing on a site a couple of weeks back. This "unnatural" ability that Palpatine is talking about in the trailer is about "cheating" death or something like that. Somehow I don't think the idea will work...

[HK 47]

Yeah I read the same thing on a site a couple of weeks back. This "unnatural" ability that Palpatine is talking about in the trailer is about "cheating" death or something like that. Somehow I don't think the idea will work...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I think it'll work something like this:

"Honey, I did slaughter some people, well ok lots of people, well ok a lot of kids too, but I did it for you. Cause my politician buddy told me you might die otherwise."

"Oh Ani, let's go away together and ride those cool pigs by the waterfalls again"

[J m HofMarN]

Wow! This actually ties in to a past movie! Amazing! Finally in ep 3 Lucas has managed to remember something that Anakin said in ep 2 and use it. Yes, we all recall his infantile tantrum about wanting to be able to stop death.

The problem is he dosnt give a damn about anyone enough to want to prevent them from dying. He never saw his mom, he views Padme as a posession, he hates Obi Wan, and he speaks to Sidious like two times. If PT Anakin fell to the dark side to stop anyone from dying it would be himself.

[ernesttomlinson]

The problem is [Anakin] dosnt give a damn about anyone enough to want to prevent them from dying.

An astute comment. You're right, of course. Anakin's character is so poorly established that all of his emotional conflicts have no depth. "I hate you! You're like a father to me!" That's what we get. And then there's the "relationship" between Anakin and Padme. -shudder- You'd think that Lucas had never been in love. He has no subtlety. It's the little gestures that matter, that build affection. The Empire Strikes Back isn't exactly a romance for the ages but it captures something of the feeling: "You have your moments. Not many. But you do have them." There's more genuine affection in that one line then there is in all of Episode II. There's the sense of a real relationship between Han and Leia there. In Attack of the Clones there are flowery declarations of love and horrible dialogue about sand not being smooth. We're supposed to accept that Anakin and Padme yearn for each other tragically almost on faith - it's not like there's evidence of it on the screen.

And supposedly this affair to remember is why Anakin turns to the Dark Side? Please.

It would have been better, much better, if Anakin were older, and I say that not merely because of the lack of continuity between the nine-year-old Anakin of Episode I and the "best pilot in the galaxy" Anakin of Star Wars. I can imagine a middle-aged Jedi who slides into authoritarianism as he gets older as his dislike for the current political order grows. I can imagine Palpatine working on this Jedi's dissatisfaction and directing it, like Pierre Laval worked on Marshal Petain's. But it takes time and experience. A feckless teenager with a personal beef wanting to take over the world? In real life that doesn't lead to dictatorship, it leads to pathetic murder-suicides.

[J m HofMarN]

It's like Romeo and Juliet, only with crap in it!

[Paladin]

Yes, we all recall his infantile tantrum about wanting to be able to stop death.

I've seen adults who are angry with themselves for not being perfect, but saying things like 'I want to be all powerful and stop people from dying' is plain bullshit. Even when I was a 5 year older I never said things like that. Of course, I don't recall much about those days, but I do remember myself falling in love with video games and imagining myself as a video game hero who goes around fighting evil and punishing the people who wronged me. I still have those imaginations now and many people do.

Because he thinks Sidious can teach him how to prevent Padme from dying (because he had a dream about it).

This looks promising for the Episode III Reasons to Hate list. Sacrificing everything for love is indeed a mythological classic, but in the hands of Lucas I doubt it'll have the desired effect. Slaughtering everyone in the Jedi temple and the separatists for Padmé? Blindly following the orders of Sidious to save his loved one? Because he foresees her death in a dream...

Is this for real? This is really the thing that caused Anakin to turn to the dark side? A dream about Padme dying and him wanting to prevent it?

It doesn't make sense at all. No, it doesn't fall inline with the last movie or any of the movies for that matter, and here's why. Anakin was supposed to be seduced to the dark side because of the power that it brings to him. He was completely impatient to finish his training and thus used unorthrodox techniques to get his power. He needed a teacher since Obi-Wan apparently didn't cut it for him. If you people remember what Yoda said to Luke in ROTJ "Don't uderestimate the powers of the Emperor, or suffer your father's fate, you will." From this sentence, I can more or less add to the fact that he thought that Palpatine could teach him what he wanted, but he didn't think that his powers were enough to lure him into the dark side, so he foolishly agreed to it and ended up being wrong over what he thought and DID get lured into the dark side.

So here's the traits of Anakin's character in PT.

1: A completely arrogent, rude, unbearable bastard who no one CAN like. (Not can't, can!)

2: In addition to to his lack of good behavior, his inability to even remotely act like an adult when it comes to dealing with certain important things of life and his job comes short of what we could expect. I've seen a lot of impatiance from people before as to what they want in life, and I, too, have been very impatient (and still am, technically) but Anakin's actions are BEYOND that of even children! It is beyond simple 'immaturity' since I haven't seen anyone in my entire life ever act like that, not online, not face-to-face and not even in the movies and video games. Anakin's unique stupidity is appalling.

3: He's a fool, and a complete utter idiot. Not only is this shown by his high level of incompetance at his work, but in his 'romance' skills, his ridicules claims of a dictatorship being 'good' because it makes people 'agree' (Is he really serious?) and his complete recklessness and disregard for his own safety and the safety for those around him. This goes WAY beyond the boundries of even what is an anti-hero.

4: Now this! Here we have a completely retarded way of dealing with his dream of Padme dying. How stupid can it get? He falls for Palpatines silly "I'll help you save Padme if you do what I tell you" and he does just that: kills jedi, destroys and entire galaxy, topples a whole galactic government, all because Palpatine made hima a promise that he does not keep! That is hilarity in the first degree! He gets into the dark side because of this and is Darth Vader's slave for goods and purposes. Apparently he can't somehow rebel against his master and make himself emperor.

Gee, what utter stupidty on GL's part. I'm completely fed up with all. I just hope that I never see aonther movie like Star Wars ever again. I've forgotten how good the OT was after seeing the PT, and after seeing what kind of an individual GL is, and after reading Hannibal's list of plagerisms that he took out, I have no shame in saying that my liking of Star Wars may have simply been a case of childish delusion on my part. I guess I might as well never get attached to a movie in such a manner again.

[WhoCares]

Hmm, maybe Lucas saw the demise of SW in a dream.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

HA HA HA HA HA

[Lord Aquaman]

I'm suddenly reminded of West Side Story when Tony comes to Maria to confess that he killed her brother Bernardo after B killed Tony's longtime pal Riff. After the initial slapping she seemed to get over it rather quickly.

But it STILL went down as more believable than Paddy forgiving Anakin in AOTC becaues at least in West Side Story it actually felt like Tony & Maria were lusting after one another, whereas AOTC, as everyone has stated before, came across with a "romance" that was just plain absurd and creepy.

[HK 47]

Further news on the subject:

Apparently Lucas has screened the film for Spielberg and some other buddies in the industry and quite a few of them had a problem with Anakins turn to Evil. They felt it was "unmotivated". (This from Lucas himself).

Think about it:

1. Anakin destroys the entire Jedi Order, including the children. He hates Obi-Wan and Mace.

2. Strangest of all, he trusts and obeys the monster who is responsible for the war he's fighting, he knows this guy is The Sith Master when he turns! Sidious former apprentice killed Qui-Gon Jinn, someone who was very nice to Anakin. Sidious has also been ultimately responsible for the attempts on Padmés life.

Safe to say that Anakin is nothing short of a total homicidal, no, genocidal f**king psycho, acting on bizarre megalomaniacal impulses. Yeah, that's the Anakin I always imagined.

Edit: Oh yeah one more thing, even the fans over at theforce.net are having difficulty swallowing this one...

This post has been edited by HK 47: 06 April 2005 - 10:19 AM

[Paladin]

Safe to say that Anakin is nothing short of a total homicidal, no, genocidal f**king psycho, acting on bizarre megalomaniacal impulses. Yeah, that's the Anakin I always imagined.

Anakin's fringe lunatic behavior was painfully apparent in AOTC. This is why I don't think that he was all too 'brat' like and more of 'bound to go on a mass murder spree at any moment' and he did with the Tuskens that killed his mother.

Further more, as I've said earlier, wasn't his turn ot the dark side supposed to be 'gradual' and getting lured deeper and deeper until he reached the supposed 'point of no return'? I was wrong. Dead wrong. He was pure evil from the very beginning and was never a good man at any point in his life, with an exception of his childhood.

When I left the movie theater showing AOTC two years ago, I had more or less concluded that there was no way for GL to produce a good finale, and I've sadly proven right. Why do I hate it when a great movie series goes kaput? :rolls:

[Helena]

Just one more thing I should add: In case you don't feel that 'I don't want my wife to die' is quite enough to justify committing mass genocide, overthrowing a democratic government and helping to install a brutal galaxy-wide dictatorship, GL apparently provides another reason for Anakin to turn to the Dark Side. Wait for it...

It seems that Anakin turns against the Jedi because the Council refuses to make him a Jedi Master. At the age of 21. Less than 2 years after he completed his apprenticeship. Even though they agree to give him a frickin' seat on the frickin' Council.

[HK 47]

It seems that Anakin turns against the Jedi because the Council refuses to make him a Jedi Master. At the age of 21. Less than 2 years after he completed his apprenticeship. Even though they agree to give him a frickin' seat on the frickin' Council.

"Not a Master? AAAAARGH!!!"

He does all this cause he doesn't want his wife to die... Here's the punchline:

He force chokes his pregnant wife Padmé because he gets upset when she leads Obi-Wan to him. She dies shortly after from the injuries. I mean, this is just fucking ridiculous.

This post has been edited by HK 47: 06 April 2005 - 03:13 PM

[DragonLord]

This just gets better and better...

It's in moments like these that I wish I was more like those people who accept EVERYTHING and like every freaking movie or book or whatever. And I know they exist. You can just go through life and be grateful no matter how much certain things suck.

I mean seriously, what the hell is Lucas smoking? =)

Simply ask Lucas: "Why does Anakin turn to the dark side?" He wont have an answer...