[civilian_number_two]

I went to see SIN CITY today, and accidentally saw the trailer for Episode III: REVENGE OF THE SITH. There was a lot of shit going down in that trailer man, and I won't post any spoilers (I know I'm behind the curve on this one anyway, but I know jariten's been avoiding them). I just want to say this one thing:

It looks like Lucas is going to tell his whole story in one film, like the stuff "developed" in the previous two films wasn't necessary to this story. For instance this one series of interactions between two characters is all developed from scratch in this one show, so any complaints that it should have been worked on in the last movie just so it would make sense here appear to be addressed.

A lot of the stuff with real people in it looked pretty nice, but the cgi was distracting here and there. I would have preferred models, etc, the usual complaint, but I think the technology is there to do this thing, even if this thing is not worth doing.

The trailer didn't floor me, but it didn't have too much in it that upset me either. Without TPM in my memory and tales of AOTC on the wire, I would have said it looked like an ok summer movie, and that I was reserving my judgement. So jariten, you can take that as high praise.

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SIN CITY is great; it's like watching the comic book come to life. If you didn't like the comic, stay away, of course, since it's dirty and misogynistic and violent as hell, and Frank Miller seems to have gleaned from film noir only the aesthetic and not the philosophy. That said, again: it's great.

I also saw trailers for ODDBOY, which looked odd, boy, and DOMINO, which looked kinda suck. Also some other things, but who cares.

[barend]

does DOMINO fall flat?

[njamilla]

It seems to me from what I've seen and heard of ROTS that GL could've started with EP III and saved us all the problems of EP 1 and 2.

The Clone Wars should've started in EP 1, not at the end of EP 2.

[barend]

the clone wars should have been half way through, and anikan should have been at least 24yrs old.... and at least a really fantastically good pilot... at least enough to be justifiably called 'the best pilot'

[J m HofMarN]

you guys don't understand. It's clear that ep1 and 2 were only practice. We've already established that the PT runs opposite the OT right? In the OT you had good triumphing in a third movie that was inferior to its two predecessors.

In the PT you have evil triumphing in a third movie that is superior to its predecessors.

That said however I have to say that it pisses me off that the good guys won in both ep1 and ep2. That dosn't make much sense at all.

[HK 47]

SIN CITY is great; it's like watching the comic book come to life.  If you didn't like the comic, stay away, of course, since it's dirty and misogynistic and violent as hell, and Frank Miller seems to have gleaned from film noir only the aesthetic and not the philosophy.  That said, again: it's great.

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I thought it was genius to cast Elijah Wood as Kevin But misogynistic? Really? I always thought Millers women were quite diverse in their characterization, well, at least within Sin Citys framework. A Dame To Kill For and Blue Eyes yeah sure, but there are many others. Very much looking forward to it anyway!

[Madam Corvax]

Civ - are you going to watch episode 3? Just curious, does this trailer make you feel like watching it?

[Despondent]

Yes, Civilian. Embrace the dark side.


(You know, suddenly I feel stupid using terms like "the dark side." The OT was kind of cool.)


But if you want to go, give in. You're not going to lose your soul or anything.


Make you a deal. If you do see it, I'll wear a Jar Jar t-shirt.

[civilian_number_two]

ROTS: I have said before, and I stand by it, that I will watch ROTS only if the consensus on this board is that it is good. And if I do that, I will watch AOTC first.

Frank Miller: His women are all victims. Even the ones who sport guns are victims. He even turned Catwoman intoa prostitute, and had the Joker beat her up in Dark Knight. This isn't really the spirit of film noir. That aside, I like the stuff, and loved the movie: I'm just saying if you didn't like the comics, sure as hell avoid the movie.

[HK 47]

ROTS: I have said before, and I stand by it, that I will watch ROTS only if the consensus on this board is that it is good.  And if I do that, I will watch AOTC first.

Frank Miller: His women are all victims. Even the ones who sport guns are victims. He even turned Catwoman intoa prostitute, and had the Joker beat her up in Dark Knight. This isn't really the spirit of film noir. That aside, I like the stuff, and loved the movie: I'm just saying if you didn't like the comics, sure as hell avoid the movie.

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His women are all victims? You couldn't be more wrong Civ. Elektra, Martha Washington, Catgirl. Sin City: Ava, Gail, not to mention Miho! She's the most dangerous individual, male or female, in Sin City and certainly not a victim. I do agree with the Catwoman thing in Dark Knight though, it was out of character for Selina. You should brush up on your Frank Miller.

This post has been edited by HK 47: 02 April 2005 - 05:06 PM

[civilian_number_two]

I guess I have a different idea of Elekta than you do. I saw her always as a foil to Daredevil, a gal drawn into crime by men always more powerful and one step ahead of her. Turned against her boyfriend, her sensei, and herself, she is pretty much a good example of a conflicted noir character, I'll give you that, but she was only late given a chance at redemption, and of course that caused her death. Miller always gave his men better shots at redemption than he gave Elektra. Her death is not a sacrifice, it's a failure. I won't go into the business of her resurrection, because I always saw that a cheap ratings grab.

Miho is dangerous, sure, so a cypher. Everyone else in that posse is equally dull, supporting characters in a story that's not as good as the others in the series. Also, I think gun-toting hookers are not as liberated and strong as some others do. Sue me.

Martha Washington, Batgirl (Carrie Kelly): there you have me. The former a well-drawn Horatio Alger equal to any of his men, the latter a strong supporting member, and not drawn for T&A. I hated the Dark Knight followup, but Batgirl is great in the original, a reminder of hope in Miller's typically systopian future.

I knew people would be more interested in the SIN CITY comment than in the ROTS trailer, even in the STAR WARS forum. This is typical of our collective interest in STAR WARS.

Yes, I thought the trailer for DOMINO looked pretty bad, if stylish and sexy. I forgit to mntion I also saw the full trailer for THE HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY. I think it looks ok, except: I don't like Marvin, and I don't like the Voice for the Book. Marvin, whatever, but the Book! Damn. That's important.

[Despondent]

Well I've not been to the Bijou lately. Are there banners or elaborate displays for rots? Advertising on cups or popcorn bags? People standing around the poster?

How about the audience's response? There's that moment of silence between the trailers which is often revealing.

Better than the last? Even Better.

[HK 47]

I guess I have a different idea of Elekta than you do. I saw her always as a foil to Daredevil, a gal drawn into crime by men always more powerful and one step ahead of her.  Turned against her boyfriend, her sensei, and herself, she is pretty much a good example of a conflicted noir character, I'll give you that, but she was only late given a chance at redemption, and of course that caused her death.  Miller always gave his men better shots at redemption than he gave Elektra.  Her death is not a sacrifice, it's a failure.  I won't go into the business of her resurrection, because I always saw that a cheap ratings grab.

Miho is dangerous, sure, so a cypher.  Everyone else in that posse is equally dull, supporting characters in a story that's not as good as the others in the series.  Also, I think gun-toting hookers are not as liberated and strong as some others do.  Sue me.

Martha Washington, Batgirl (Carrie Kelly): there you have me.  The former a well-drawn Horatio Alger equal to any of his men, the latter a strong supporting member, and not drawn for T&A.  I hated the Dark Knight followup, but Batgirl is great in the original, a reminder of hope in Miller's typically systopian future.

I knew people would be more interested in the SIN CITY comment than in the ROTS trailer, even in the STAR WARS forum.  This is typical of our collective interest in STAR WARS.

Yes, I thought the trailer for DOMINO looked pretty bad, if stylish and sexy.  I forgit to mntion I also saw the full trailer for THE HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY.  I think it looks ok, except: I don't like Marvin, and I don't like the Voice for the Book.  Marvin, whatever, but the Book!  Damn.  That's important.

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Elektra was drawn into becoming an assasin due to the death of her mother, and later her father. I did not find her resurrection a "cheap ratings grab" at all, that was her real shot at redemption. After her redemption, her future was left to the readers imagination. Was the mountain climb to heaven (her being dead permanently)? Or to Sticks old hideout? All of that was Miller. Her later adventures is about some other girl (not Miller and they suck). Besides did you ever read Elektra: Assasin (Miller/Sienkiewicz)? Try calling her a victim or failure! (My God Civ! :angry: ) after that...

Ava and Miho are not hookers. Gail is a dominatrix I believe.

Glad we agree on some points, your descriptions of Washington and Catgirl are spot on. And yes that's Catgirl (Carrie Kelly). Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) is not featured in Millers work. (The Simpsons comic book guy strikes again!)

You're right about the interest in Sin City ahead of RotS. A Miller thread? I'm there!

This post has been edited by HK 47: 03 April 2005 - 03:31 AM