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Posted 01 April 2005 - 07:10 AM

We all know that there are enough plotholes in the PT that the bits you have to look out for are the parts that actually flow properly - and that there are continuity errors between the prequels and the originals - but there's an error within the PT itself.

It concerns midichlorians.

Leaving aside the idea that microscopic organisms in your blood that are something like mitochondria and sound something like 'the state at which the pool is suitable to swim in' are the source of the Force - but this lame pseudoscientific explanation doesn't sit with Attack of the Clones.

Somehow - the Jedi's ability to use the force had been lessened by the Dark Side, presumably by Darth Sidious/Chancellor Palpatine... What, did he stick a needle in their neck while they weren't looking and suck the midichlorians from their veins?

The answer is simple - There is no answer.

George Lucas - a man whose best work is behind him, back when he had good writers like Lawrence Kasdan and Leigh Brackett, directors like Irvin Kershner and actors of serious quality like Peter Cushing and Alec Guinness - didn't just forget what he did twenty years ago, he forgot what he did three years ago.

Now perhaps I'm missing something - perhaps it will all be revealed in the third movie - perhaps midichlorians wither and die when exposed to the dark side, which stems from the badachlorians but honestly, I think there is a problem.
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 08:37 AM

Right again, Mnesymone! And this totally flies in the face of the phrase, "...the Force is WITH him." If you have midiclorians---wouldn't the Force ALWAYS be with you!?

So, saying things like, "May the Force be with you... always..." would have no meaning.
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 09:13 AM

I don't think that phrase has much meaning anyway, since even non-Jedi say it to each other. It seems to be just another way of saying 'good luck'.
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 10:11 AM

Hi, Mnesymone. I'm very new here and I didn't know you, but I quite liked your comments!

Ah, the midichorians. This stupid things, along with the fact that a non-Jedi will fight with lightsabers in Ep III, are the things that bothers me the most in these new movies. (And we are talking about movies that showed a pod race, lame plots and darth maul! But, no, really, nothing pissed me more than that!)
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 10:18 AM

Yeah, I didn't think it would be possible to kill every bit of fantasy in just one line, but Lucas proved me wrong...
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 11:11 PM

Also, isn't it interesting that Anakin loses all his limbs (thus diminishing his midichlorian count by about half) and yet is still more powerful and cool in the time after ep3? Perhaps his Midichlorians are whats been holding him back.

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 02:04 AM

I'm still thinking that the badachlorians in his lymph system give him his power. They also turn his eyes yellow, and give him a tan.
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Posted 02 April 2005 - 02:35 AM

Which, by the way, completely changes by the OT for some reason. Lucas couldnt even attain continuity on a VISUAL level. What is he dumb AND blind?

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 02:41 AM

Yes.

He's also deaf - he couldn't mesh the PT and OT together on a phonic level - like the no-soundtrack asteroid pursuit with weird seismic bombs - or Darth Maul's highly repetitive lightsaber trial soundtrack.
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Posted 02 April 2005 - 02:03 PM

da da da-da-dut DA DA DA-DA-DUT!
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Posted 03 April 2005 - 04:54 AM

That's the one.

It still amazes me how he managed to make that scene painfully fast and ponderously slow in one go.

I mean, most of its too fast to follow - but he takes the time to zoom in on everyones face in turn and that damned Maul fellow takes the time to slowly take of his hood and ignite his saber at the start, rather than hacking Amidala's honour guard to pieces.

Still - if midichlorians are the source of a Jedi's power - how do they enable you to leap from platform to platform like that.
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Posted 03 April 2005 - 05:26 AM

The force is so lame now. Even that crazy cult in the states that actually adheres to a Jedi Religon does not recognize midichloriants.

I could not find their website, it was www.jediism.org, but it's gone now. I think they gave up on it since their founding father turned there religon into a crock of shit.
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Posted 03 April 2005 - 05:50 AM

The prequel force is lame - I'm choosing to believe that it is a different force the orginal trilogy force.

I wonder if George realised he crushed a religion under his prequelled sandals?

I hope there are no badachlorians, and it was just my joke.
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Posted 03 April 2005 - 07:50 PM

QUOTE (Helena @ Apr 1 2005, 09:13 AM)
I don't think that phrase has much meaning anyway, since even non-Jedi say it to each other. It seems to be just another way of saying 'good luck'.


I'd say its more of "god bless" which is considered a polite phrase used by many people who aren't religious, especially in politics.

Maybe Republic currency says "May the Force Be With You" in the way the US's says "In God We Trust." Non force believers could file lawsuits in the Senate and shit.
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Posted 03 April 2005 - 08:45 PM

QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 3 2005, 05:26 AM)
Even that crazy cult in the states that actually adheres to a Jedi Religon does not recognize midichloriants.

There was a schism, actually. Those who didn't believe in chlormidians left the church.
Many that remain try to look around it.

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I'd say its more of "god bless" which is considered a polite phrase used by many people who aren't religious, especially in politics.


Probably. Even when Han says it, ("May the force be with you,") it's an earnest remark. And possibly a spiritual moment leading Han and Chewie for their Wonderful appearance at the DS. Yahoo or whahoo in a moment of surprise beats a Yippee! moment of predictability any day.

Before the battle of Hoth, Leia wishes her troops the best and says "good luck."

Her not saying MTFBWY would qualify for a moment of letdown. But I didn't think that it sucked at that point.
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