[Jordan]

Heathens.

[Jane Sherwood]

I'm hoping that remark was a joke, Jordan. Using a word like that is implying that we're uncivilized or lacking in morals.

[Cyzyk]

"The only yins ye should get rowdy wit are demons and heathens!"

We'll see how many people know where that quote is from.

[Slade]

I'm pretty sure he was joking just as much as I was. It takes more than a single person to cause something like the Dark Ages, of course. If remember anything of medieval history, it started immediately starting the death of Chalemagne...

I've heard it all regarding the Catholic side of the C vs. P thing. I do enjoy a good conspiracy, though I wouldn't quite call Lecter a 'conspiracy nut'. I haven't had the luxury of hearing Protestants rant on about how awful Catholics are and why, though I imagine it would involve quoting Luther's Theses or something...

This post has been edited by Slade: 11 March 2005 - 11:03 AM

[Jordan]

Heathens, it sounds cool when Charelston Heston says it. HOw do you manage to take an offense to anything I say? I've been on this damn fourm for over 2 years now. Can't people tell when I'm serious or not? (unless you're hannibal,him I don't like)

This post has been edited by Jordan: 11 March 2005 - 07:29 PM

[Jane Sherwood]

I know, sorry. I just wasn't in the best of moods when I saw it. My mind can twist even the most innocent of remarks into personal insults when that happens.

[Dr Lecter]

Dr. Lecter, if you respect truth, find a new sig.

Most Nazis were... I'll use the word 'homo' since I'm new here, and don't know how into it people are. They were NOTORIOUSLY so, including the fact that many Nazi meetings degraded into more or less orgies. So they were pretty screwed anyway.

Furthermore, the Bible doesn't say that, unless you read it as a one-track mind Protestant pulpit-pounder.

On the subject of God, he's a handy explanation for why everything exists in perfect balance. And when I say balance, I suggest you study the physics of our atmosphere. The exact details of why it neither crushes us nor floats away are disturbing, especially if you view it as a random result of millions of years.

One of the few things that piss me off about alot of Relgious people is that they like to assume they are always right. Freedom of speech ain't for nothing. There is no proof of God's existance or conclusive evidence what opinion is given in the Bible. So how can you claim that what you don't believe is wrong. The think I don't like about most Religous people, no offence to any Catholics, but I notice they seem to be even less open minded than most Relgious believers. I have no trouble with disputing what I say but claiming that you are right and I am wrong when neither of us has any evidence is just childish.

On the note of physics, the fact that God must have just existed without anything happening to create him puts doubts in my mind since that in itself defies the laws of Physics. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only converted. So in order for God to be God he would have to exist forever so he couldn't have been created from the energy, meaning he must have just appeared from nowhere, but that in itself defies the laws of physics because of what I just said. Saying there is a God does explain some things, it just makes the remaining and conflicting ideas alot harder to explain. The Big Bang theory leaves alot less to question because they is no outside Entity "controlling" the situation. If you are talking about the gravitational forces and about of gases exchanged in the Universe when things such as the Sun were formed, then inference may not have been required, if you believe in the Alternate Unverses theory, and that there are infinity Universes. Then the odd of all the elements playing out correctly atleast once in infinity, well the equation is impossible to calcuate without some pretty supercomputer and a mathmatician, but I think the odds would be quite good.

Erm, I can think of plenty more but I think thats enough for people that may not have any knowledge about this to get their head around.

[Cyzyk]

Erm, I can think of plenty more but I think thats enough for people that may not have any knowledge about this to get their head around.

*turns to page 83 in How to Twist and Misconstrue*

Ooh, now you're calling me ignorant.

Which are you taking issue with? Yes, I have non-Biblical proof that Nazis were queerer than hamsters. That quote is completely ridiculous, there's nothing to defend. Unless I'm mistaken, it's premise is that heaven is open to all but homos. Since nazis were, the person who said that is either ignorant or purposely ignoring the truth.

About the big bang theory...

There's a creation myth somewhere about the world being on the back of a turtle. Someone asked one of the believers, "What's under the turtle?"
'Another turtle.'
'Under that?'
'Another.'
'What's under that one?'
'It's turtles all the way down.'

What's before the protoblock? Like the turtles, it has to start somewhere.

God is above the laws of physics. I can find a number of miracles which go against physics. Most recently and efficient would be St. Pio, better known as Padre Pio.

[Dr Lecter]

Its very well having the proof that all nazis are gay, but where is this proof of which is mentioned. Since you claim that all nazis are gay, if I find one that isn't, your wrong (rubs hands). You do realize that by bring up the thing about starting somewhere, where did God come from? Think about it, your trying to disproof my theory, but your disproving your own aswell. Its all very well saying God can defy the laws of physics, but he can't have just appeared from nowhere, and by the definition of God, he can't have been created.

[kdogg]

On the note of physics, the fact that God must have just existed without anything happening to create him puts doubts in my mind since that in itself defies the laws of Physics.

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Hmmm. I'm pretty sure that if God existed, he would not have to abide by the laws of physics.

[Emu]

What's before the protoblock? Like the turtles, it has to start somewhere.

(Cyzyk)

Does it, though? Just because it's really hard for humans to comprehend something that doesn't have a finite start and finish, doesn't mean it can't happen. The universe does not have to follow our rules of what makes sense to us at this particular moment in time.

[Slade]

It's true, we could be entirely wrong on the matter.

Also, I just read that bit about all nazis being homosexual... Forgive the colloquialism, but WTF?! Where did you dig that up? I hope it's all a joke, because otherwise I'm offended to the point of killing puppies in anger.

The trouble with Socratic logic is that you need a cause for every effect. Having an initial cause that comes from nowhere is an odd concept due to the way - I'll say "logical", though that's a fallicy - humans view the world, but an initial Creator doesn't need to obey physical laws since it's not physical. Though how one can say "God exists and created the entire universe and so he must be ubiquitous and the archetype of justice and love" is beyond me.

And that Big Bang still had to come from somewhere...

Edit: The trouble with being the moderator is you can't hide from topics you don't wish to debate anymore. Oh well...

This post has been edited by Slade: 12 March 2005 - 02:02 PM

[Jordan]

Either nature is infinite, or God is infinite.

Both are just as imossible to comprehend. In the end, it comes down to where you faith is, in God or Nature.

[Laughlyn]

Just because we don't know or understand how something starts doesn't mean 'God' started it. Science can't prove it, but it can get closer to the truth, the clergy can't move from their curent position without risking heresy. God of the gaps is what's got the Church into so much trouble, and enforcing it only drives out more believers as science slowly erodes religious fact.

I'm not saying 'God' doesn't exist here, in fact i'm more in favour of a happy pagan medium between Jordans two points, A natural order.

[Cyzyk]

I said 'most' Nazis. Not all. And since I didn't say all, your happy-go-lucky theory of "Wrong once, wrong always" doesn't apply. For proof, I suggest you read some biographies of the leaders of the SA. Although I don't think Ernst Roehm himself was, most of the others were.

Being a deity, it is most probable that God created time as we know it. I don't know much about string theory, and what I do know is probably out of date, so I won't try to explain it.