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General: "It's fun to shoot some people!" Friday, February 4, 2005

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Posted 04 February 2005 - 01:29 PM

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Lt. Gen. James Mattis gets fun in shooting some people!
Posted on : 2005-02-04| Author : Peter Goodyear
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“It's fun to shoot some people,” said the Marine Corps Lt. Gen. James Mattis while speaking at a forum in San Diego. His comments though appeared funny to some at the forum, have led to annoyance of many including his higher officials.

Mattis was trying to portray the grim picture of war. The whole process of combating somehow appeared amusing to him when he said at a panel discussion hosted by the Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association that, ``Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know, it's a hell of a hoot. ... It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right upfront with you, I like brawling.''

He added, ``you go into Afghanistan; you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.''

Mattis is at present the commanding general of the Marine Corps Combat Development Command in Quantico, Va., and deputy commandant for combat development. He is valued as a fighting general and an expert in the art of warfare. He owns a Bronze Star with a combat distinguishing device and a combat action ribbon, awarded for close-quarters fighting.

Gen. Hagee's in a statement about Mattis remark said, ``Lt. Gen. Mattis often speaks with a great deal of candor. I have counseled him concerning his remarks and he agrees he should have chosen his words more carefully.''

``While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and harsh realities of war,'' Hagee's statement added.

Marine Gen. Peter Pace who is a vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff while speaking Pentagon press conference said, ``all of us who are leaders have a responsibility in our words and our actions to provide the right example all the time for those who look to us for leadership.''

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Posted 04 February 2005 - 01:32 PM

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He added, "you go into Afghanistan; you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.''


Hmm. Is it me, or is he just going gun-mad to make his willy seem big?
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Posted 04 February 2005 - 01:37 PM

I guess I'm not the ONLY one to see this article as relevant...

(There goes that 'random' theory down the toilet)
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Posted 04 February 2005 - 02:13 PM

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He added, ``you go into Afghanistan; you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.''


Actually, I find myself agreeing with him on that... :angry:
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Posted 04 February 2005 - 03:01 PM

"Actually, I find myself agreeing with him on that... "


This proves that all anyone has to do is say some shit about somebody, and the herd will go along and believe heresay...to the point where you think its fun or would be a good idea to kill.

All afhganis are wife beaters. Right. Okay. Lets kill them all because there are certainly no AMERICAN wife beaters.

Another example: "I saw this Jew beat his wife(or--insert your hideous crime of choice that you are politically obssessed with), therefore, wouldn't it be righteous and fun to kill jews?"

After all Americans don't beat their wives, or rape or steal or torture. The "Free World" is a land of perfection, peace and harmony. We in our righteous perfectionhood and holy mandated divine right to rule MUST kill these people, and take over their country and we have every RIGHT to think we can have fun shooting them too.

If it looks like it, smells like it, talks like it, call it what it is: fascism.

Looks like that ole' fascist propaganda worked on you. But hey, be secure in that you know you aren't the only one who'd agree.

Once again, it sickens me to hear people going along with people who cast dispersions on an ENTIRE people to excuse their inhumanity and their promotion of crimes against humanity.

Unlike most however I don't wish to push criticisms of things such as what is mentioned in this article to advance a political or religious belief, such as Hoffmarn and others, for me its simply a matter of humanity.

I don't think this is proof you should become a communist, or a christian or a buddhist, but hey thats just me--and I'm insane, so you are excused. Hate on.
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Posted 04 February 2005 - 03:12 PM

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Mattis is at present the commanding general of the Marine Corps Combat Development Command


Nice of them to make that distinction.

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Posted 04 February 2005 - 06:41 PM

Its a bit much, really, for him to say "he's doing something wrong, lets fucking shoot him!" Yes, things weren't perfect in Iraq, but mant (probably wiser) people have been in war with greater despots and suffered far worse.

Its a rare and strange day I find myself agreeing with Hannibal over Jane...
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Posted 04 February 2005 - 10:39 PM

QUOTE (Chyld @ Feb 4 2005, 06:41 PM)
Its a bit much, really, for him to say "he's doing something wrong, lets fucking shoot him!" Yes, things weren't perfect in Iraq, but mant (probably wiser) people have been in war with greater despots and suffered far worse.

Its a rare and strange day I find myself agreeing with Hannibal over Jane...


Having served in the USMC, I understand his statements 100%. In situations like war, one has to convince themselves that what they are doing is the right thing. It is what will keep you from completely falling apart. It is also a way to rally the troops. See it as political incorrectness if that is what people want to see. But I would follow this guy into combat any day of the week. There are not a whole lot of service members who want to take another humans life. It is easier to see the ones you are fighting as less than human; it makes the job easier. I implore everyone to hold off judging members of any military, be it US or other until you have walked in their boots.

Not a sermon, just an observation. Enjoy!

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 12:31 AM

I'm going to agree with Hannibal here, that general is an ASSHOLE. And personally, if I were an Afghan woman not wearing a vail I'd really prefer being slapped by an Afghan man with no manhood than being atomized by a bomb dropped by an american pilot with no brain-hood.

I wonder if by that logic he'd think it's fun to kill American troops too, or is it just people with a different skin tone? And this is scary for another reason too. Ever have a fly bother you? Ever kill the fly with a fly swatter? Ever decide it's kind of fun and go and kill some other flies that aren't actually bothering you? From the death toll and first hand reports I'd say that a lot of the storm troopers over in the mid east are taking their fun a bit too far...

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 01:17 AM

QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Feb 5 2005, 12:31 AM)
I'm going to agree with Hannibal here, that general is an ASSHOLE. And personally, if I were an Afghan woman not wearing a vail I'd really prefer being slapped by an Afghan man with no manhood than being atomized by a bomb dropped by an american pilot with no brain-hood.

I wonder if by that logic he'd think it's fun to kill American troops too, or is it just people with a different skin tone? And this is scary for another reason too. Ever have a fly bother you? Ever kill the fly with a fly swatter? Ever decide it's kind of fun and go and kill some other flies that aren't actually bothering you? From the death toll and first hand reports I'd say that a lot of the storm troopers over in the mid east are taking their fun a bit too far...


Storm troopers? Try an be a bit more diplomatic about it man. Are you meaning to make a correlation between the US military and it's allies with Nazi storm troopers? And this is not about "Skin tone". The war in afghanistan was most certainly justified. Do you suggest America should have turned a blind eye to what had happened to the country? I will respect your opinion on the issue as you are most certainly welcome to say whatever you want. I too am entilted to say what i want. I think you are looking at the situation with horse-blinders. I do not know anything about you. I do not know where you are from nor do i care. But when terrorist operatives attacked America, they were the ones who brought the war to their country. Thats how it works. Call my views ignorant if that is what you would like to do, but if someone comes into my house and kills my family, they better be prepared for what is going to happen to them. Because I am coming after them. I will kill them and their entire family. Not because of their religion, "skin tone", or not because of the language they speak. I am going to kill them for what they have done; because of what they have taken from me.

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 03:40 AM

"Storm troopers? Try an be a bit more diplomatic about it man. Are you meaning to make a correlation between the US military and it's allies with Nazi storm troopers?"

Shit man I've been saying it for months. Have you read the news lately?

Admittedly to be fair however, not all american soldiers are nazis, and they are doing what they are told, and they have to be there because its what they signed up for. However, many have refused to go on the grounds that the War is unjust. This is one instance where Hofmarn and the Catholic Pope agree: it is an Unjust War.

From torture to the so called "liberation" and lies from Rumsfeld about the war, any human being should want it to end. The Iraqis never did anything to America. There were no weapons of mass destruction, and saudi terrorists blew the WTC. Now on a daily basis we see torture, and insanity, like this retarded general.

Now the US is making it illegal for farmers in Iraq to save their own seeds? What the fuck kind of liberation is that, its unheard of. DNA, retina scans and fingerprinting of citizens? How is that liberating?

Shit that place is an Orwellian nightmare which is starting to make Saddam Hussein look like a benevolent king!

And man, your vindictiveness is atrocious:

"I will kill them and their entire family."

What kind of man are you? One who would kill a family?

Why kill his family?

Oh, I see, you're talking shit--either that or you're a Goddamn lunatic.

Everybody knows me here by now, and where I stand. I stand against those who would do the wrong thing...and you buddy, are pointing in the wrong direction.

Hopefully one day, you may look back on your words with a slight regret. Killing families? Well, whatever kind of sadistic bastard you are, you might not necessarily be welcome here.

I speak only for myself, but, I have been attacked for far less here, by half the board over a time.

I would be suprised if they let you get away with a remark like that. Hell, whats the difference, these people don't really give a shit. They probably won't even try you.

Regardless, I'm not going to waste my time with people like you, there's too many of them on the loose these days spitting vile shit all over the country, tearing it in two.

Oh, and before you get into a two-fisted tizzy, I have railed on Hofmarn, the 'club commie' worse than I just did with you now, so you should feel good about yourself.
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Posted 05 February 2005 - 03:54 AM

QUOTE (Hannibal @ Feb 5 2005, 03:40 AM)
"Storm troopers? Try an be a bit more diplomatic about it man. Are you meaning to make a correlation between the US military and it's allies with Nazi storm troopers?"

Shit man I've been saying it for months. Have you read the news lately?

Admittedly to be fair however, not all american soldiers are nazis, and they are doing what they are told, and they have to be there because its what they signed up for. However, many have refused to go on the grounds that the War is unjust. This is one instance where Hofmarn and the Catholic Pope agree: it is an Unjust War.

From torture to the so called "liberation" and lies from Rumsfeld about the war, any human being should want it to end. The Iraqis never did anything to America. There were no weapons of mass destruction, and saudi terrorists blew the WTC. Now on a daily basis we see torture, and insanity, like this retarded general. 

Now the US is making it illegal for farmers in Iraq to save their own seeds? What the fuck kind of liberation is that, its unheard of. DNA, retina scans and fingerprinting of citizens? How is that liberating?

Shit that place is an Orwellian nightmare which is starting to make Saddam Hussein look like a benevolent king!

And man, your vindictiveness is atrocious:

"I will kill them and their entire family."

What kind of man are you? One who would kill a family?

Why kill his family?

Oh, I see, you're talking shit--either that or you're a Goddamn lunatic.

Everybody knows me here by now, and where I stand. I stand against those who would do the wrong thing...and you buddy, are pointing in the wrong direction.

Hopefully one day, you may look back on your words with a slight regret. Killing families? Well, whatever kind of sadistic bastard you are, you might not necessarily be welcome here.

I speak only for myself, but, I have been attacked for far less here, by half the board over a time.

I would be suprised if they let you get away with a remark like that. Hell, whats the difference, these people don't really give a shit. They probably won't even try you.

Regardless, I'm not going to waste my time with people like you, there's too many of them on the loose these days spitting vile shit all over the country, tearing it in two.

Oh, and before you get into a two-fisted tizzy, I have railed on Hofmarn, the 'club commie' worse than I just did with you now, so you should feel good about yourself.


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Posted 05 February 2005 - 04:29 AM

I don't see it as a bad thing. Ever see those old WW2 movies where GI's talk about scoring hits and fragging krauts.

I don't see it as a big deal. I understand what he's saying. They're not fighting an army. They're fighting insurgents, who hide 99% of the time, and then attack in unsuspecting times. Killing them is probably a relief. They're like pests.

I think the army's comments and crimes should stay within the army. Exposing this stuff to the public eye is just silly. What good will it do? Now that we are all conscious of it, I'm sure the US army will really crack down.

Even if this guy does apologise for his comments, what of it? I hate the public apology. I don't think anyone in the history of mankind has ever felt honoured or rebuilt after a person gave a public apology. The poor bastard’s are pressured into it, and the only reason they do it is so that we can watch them squirm. As if that's going to solve anything.

The general is not an asshole. He's chosen a side and is sticking with it. He's not wish washy, and that's a good thing. He likes to kill enemies. Big deal. I'm sure half the people in the army like killing. It's a big part of the job. We always here "I like to defend my country" line time and time again.

Since I've grown older, I've realized alot of people take jobs for entirely different reasons than you'd think. LIke most people who go into engineering simply do it so that they can tell people they're engineers. Really, it's true. So few in my class acutally understand what it is that they'll be doing in 1 years time after grad. They don't care, they just want the Iron Ring.

Same goes for soldiers. "save my king and land" may apply. But a good portion of them want to kill bad guys and sleep with foreign women, squeeze of 9mm rounds, and fly super fast planes while listening to ACDC.

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 04:34 AM

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Are you meaning to make a correlation between the US military and it's allies with Nazi storm troopers?


No, I'd never do that. innocent.gif But seriously, I'm sure the correlation is easy to draw. The Nazi's had one of their main government buildings destroyed and used that as an excuse to start an open ended and horrifying war. They then went on to another country once more claiming self defense. And I believe it was Hannibal who pointed out that Rumsfeld's excuse about Abu Graib and Guantanamo was taken verbatim from the commander of Auschwitz camp, claiming that the torture was just purpetrated by a few misguided individuals.

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Do you suggest America should have turned a blind eye to what had happened to the country?


Frankly, Yes. If I walked outside one day and say nineteen men drive a bus into my garage and blow it up, the first thing I'd do would not be to try to find out where those nineteen men came from so I could go and blow up their houses. The first thing I'd do would be to find out why nineteen men would be angry enough at me to sacrifice their lives just to blow up my garage. And the explanation Bush put forth just dosnt hold water and I'm sure even you can admit that. Can you imagine if people actually behaved like that?

Towelhead 1: Hey look, those people have freedom!

Towelhead 2: Wow, we can't have that! Let's sacrifice our lives to kill some of them, then they won't have freedom anymore!

Towelhead 1: Hurray for logic!

No. If freedom was a reason to conduct acts of terrorism Canada would have been bombed into the ground long before 9/11. The terrorism occured because of American imperialism and our history of repression against the Muslim world. Bin Laden very clearly stated that in his last video.

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I will respect your opinion on the issue as you are most certainly welcome to say whatever you want. I too am entilted to say what i want.


Well, if thats how you feel you're welcome to say whatever you want, and I'll be glad to hear it. Welcome to the forums.

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But when terrorist operatives attacked America, they were the ones who brought the war to their country.


Really? Have you ever seen pictures from Palestine? Iraq? Egypt? Saudi Arabia? Kuwait? Egypt? Iran? We brought war on these people when we supported dictatorship in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. When we aided Israel in its aggression. When we invaded Lebanon. When we propped up Saddam's dictatorship for 20 years and then starved his people for ten years and then invaded his country and oppressed it for (however many years its been so far when you read this) Come on, you can't honestly tell me that Bin Laden started this war.

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I will kill them and their entire family.


If you're using yourself as a metaphor for the US, then you've already killed their entire family by giving away guns and bombs to people who oppressed them. That's probably the reason they came and killed your family in the first place.

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 04:34 AM

QUOTE (Jordan @ Feb 5 2005, 04:29 AM)
I don't see it as a bad thing.  Ever see those old WW2 movies where GI's talk about scoring hits and fragging krauts.

I don't see it as a big deal.  I understand what he's saying.  They're not fighting an army.  They're fighting insurgents, who hide 99% of the time, and then attack in unsuspecting times.  Killing them is probably a relief.  They're like pests.

I think the army's comments and crimes should stay within the army.  Exposing this stuff to the public eye is just silly.  What good will it do? Now that we are all conscious of it, I'm sure the US army will really crack down.

Even if this guy does apologise for his comments, what of it? I hate the public apologise.  I don't think anyone in the history of mankind has ever honoured or rebuild after a person gives a public apologise.  The poor bastard’s are pressured into it, and the only reason they do it is so that we can watch them squirm.  As if that's going to solve anything.


I am not going to apologize for my remarks. I will apologize to people personally offended, but I will not change my mind on my stance. I will also not resort to name calling and I will not automatically assume that Hannibal is looking for a fight, as he did with me. I am not prone to "fist pumping frenzy" fits. He does not have to like my views, and I do not have to like his. But I will respect his opinion.

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