[Jordan]

What the hell, I just posted that comment, I was not even done editing it and you replied.

Great, so you don't fight and respect other people's opinions, what's your point?

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oh fucking great, I spend a lot of time typing that post up and it's already 1 page behind buried in the lower middle portion of the threads. Who will read it now?

This post has been edited by Jordan: 05 February 2005 - 04:38 AM

[J m HofMarN]

I don't see it as a bad thing. Ever see those old WW2 movies where GI's talk about scoring hits and fragging krauts.

I don't see it as a big deal. I understand what he's saying. They're not fighting an army. They're fighting insurgents, who hide 99% of the time, and then attack in unsuspecting times. Killing them is probably a relief. They're like pests.

I think the army's comments and crimes should stay within the army.

Wow Jordan, you must have kept all that ignorance inside you for a week and then taken some laxatives in order to spew it all out at once...

Consider what else we were doing during WW2: Herding "Japs" into concentration camps? Throwing rocks through the windows of people who were named "Herman"? Come on man!

They're fighting the people of Iraq. Are you trying to insinuate that the guerillas are cowards because they don't stand up and wave flags so we can bomb them to death? Pests? This post is so ignorant it actually makes me sick.

Jordan, that is STUPID. You know what I think is cowardly? I think its bloody cowardly to go to a poor desert nation and commit genocide on innocent people using a highly mechanized army airforce and navy. We have tanks, jet planes, helicopter gunships, bombs that are nearly as powerful as nuclear weapons, huge battleships, and 125 thousand storm troopers.

The Iraqi guerillas have a few Kalashnikovs and RPGs. Our troops have hospitals, bopdy armor, tanks to hide in, concrete bunkers, satellite communications and plenty of food and water. The guerillas? They drink whatever filthy liquid they can find and subsist on barely enough to keep themselves going. If you think that people fighting against the most powerful nation on earth are cowards, than you can go straight to hell sir.

And as for your assertions that the military's crimes should remain hidden, I don't even need to comment on that. Be glad that that excuse for rational thought is well hidden. For your sake I hope few find it so that they can maintain respect for you.

This post has been edited by J m HofMarN: 05 February 2005 - 04:58 AM

[Hannibal]

...and don't forget, we have to kill their families too.

its the Only way to fight terror...

[xmradiodave]

...and don't forget, we have to kill their families too.

its the Only way to fight terror...

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I forgot to mention the raping of their livestock in my post.

[J m HofMarN]

I think XM was refering to the old testament laws and using it metaphorically rather than literally. We all know that its insane to kill someones entire family just because that someone killed your family. However, Bush seems to think that just because Al Qaida killed 4000 people he's justified in killing at least a hundred thousand so far (not counting our own losses) so maybe your criticism of that logic is quite meaningful.

[Hannibal]

I disagree. XM is just another loudmouth fascista who enjoys spreading ignorant rage. (Like they do on the talkshows) If all american soldiers were there to kill the families of terrorists then its a suprise to me. (Even though the terrorists are in Saudi Arabia).

But hell, I am sure you liberals "accept" and tolerate his point of view which he is entitled, right? Even if he is in favor of not only killing arab rednecks, AND the women they slap around, he's worse than the aforementioned GENERAL.

But, I digress. Everyone has a fucking political exp​ression on this subject, where as I in all my psychotic paranoid insanity merely have a moral problem with the General, his statements, and Mr.MX with his idiotic statements.

But who cares, really, America is fucked whether Halliburton takes it over, the Neocons, the Liberals, the socialists or the globalists. All are dead meat alike. Because none of you morons have any sense, and regardless of the true apocalyptic threats in the world, you'd all rather kill and kill and kill and kill and kill and threaten to kill and threaten to threaten to kill. (And torture, and rape, and sexually molest and sexually humiliate, and rape and more rape, and laugh all the way to doomsday.)

[Jane Sherwood]

I should have known this topic would be flooded before I could say anything in my defense. I'm commenting on that one remark ALONE. THAT'S IT. My opinion has nothing to do with anything political or war related - I'm not even going to touch that shit. I don't give a flying fuck what your race, nationality, or religious beliefs are, it's a Bastard thing to do, plain and simple. Anyone and everyone who does something like that deserves pain.

[Slade]

As a true liberal (not requiring the quotes), that comes off a bit caustic, Hannibal. Saying you have a good reason to commit atrocities doesn't negate the fact that you're committing atrocities.

But my political philosophy has nothing to do with my moral revulsion toward those that would find killing anyone for any reason "fun".

[Jordan]

Geez I'm not talking about the war. I'm talking about how soldiers view the enemy. And if they like killing them, then whatever, it's part of the job, they might aswell derive some pleasure from it. They probably like the idea of knocking down the enemy, 1 point for us! You've seen fighter jet movies. "Yeeeeahh, I killed a MIG, hot damn!" I bet you never thought of that as barbaric. But those guys are cheering after they kill an enemy.


And I don't think we should publicly expose the armies down falls. What good will this do? Besides make the US army look bad. Is that what you want? A couple of individuals can give an entire group a bad name.

This post has been edited by Jordan: 05 February 2005 - 01:58 PM

[use the force]

JM, educate me on who the insurgents are. Are they the leftovers off Saddams regime, terroists from ohter countries, or just random civilians that don't like the US. I doubt they would be the third I mentioned because they are doing more harm then good by killing their own people and trying to screw up the elections. I keep hearing talk about the US troops oppressing the IRaqi's but where? Abu Ghraib is the only thing I can think of and they do not represent the whole millitary. Has one of these "Storm troopers" ever just shot , killed, or captured random IRaqi civilians of the street because of their evil ways. On the other hand I see the strom troopers risking their lives to save the people mentioned above from terroists and such.

[barend]

He added, ``you go into Afghanistan; you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.''

well that's silly... there's people like that back home!
is that was this is all about? the taxpayers paid to have all those troops transported over there to deal with someone elses domestic violence situation?

bloody "foreign aid"

[Jordan]

Don't kid yourself, Use The Force. The US did not go to Iraq to save the people. Why would they bother, what do they care? What do you care? What difference does it make if Iraq people are being killed and beating their wives? That shit happens in almost every middle eastern country.

We don't launch major offensives to help people. If there is no threat to us, then we don't give a shit. And it stands to reason, why should we? What are we, the worlds super nation that protects the opressed, na.

The topic at hand is the General's comment. I think if Soldiers, of any nation, get a high out of killing 'bad guys' then what of it?

[Slade]

Jordan - Why do they care? Why they are compassionate conservatives. It's God's command for them to spread "freedom" and "democracy" to the entire world, even if it has to be forced.

And yes, people have to psychologically prepare themselves to take the life of another human being. It's rather adverse to survival to wantonly kill another of your same species. The problem is he expresses happiness at the prospect of taking lives. I can't tolerate that. But that's why I'd make a horrible soldier, I guess. Imagine if everybody stopped and thought "Damn it, I'm erasing human lives from existance" what would happen? You have to keep your eyes aimed down the barrel...

[civilian_number_two]

This topic filled up really fast!


I just want to make a small comment about something xmradiodave made about the invasion of Afghanistan, that it was justified by 9/11: No it wasn't. Afghanistan was not behind 9/11. The US attacked Afghanistan because Bush said "Osama bin Laden did this, and he is in Afghanistan." bin Laden never claimed responsibility, and the Taliban denied having him in their protection.

bin Laden was never found in Afghanistan, the hijackers were found to have come largely from Saudi Arabia, and bin Laden only recently, about two months ago, took responsibility for the first time for the attacks of 9/11/2001. On a videotaped message, no less. Shades of the WMDs used to justify the attack on Iraq; Bush would later claim that WMDs were never the reason behind the invasion of Iraq.

I say bin Laden is dead, and he is Goldstein. We are at war with the terrorists of the Middle East. We have always been at warwith the terrorists of the Middle East. We are five grams above last year's chocolate ration.

I love Big Brother.

[xmradiodave]

I disagree. XM is just another loudmouth fascista who enjoys spreading ignorant rage.

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you make me giggle.