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Posted 09 February 2005 - 10:16 PM

Glaurung was by far the most diabolically and chaotically evil character in the history of middle ea- ...well everything.

the father of all dragons. he certainly was a force to horrified by.

i just loved the sacking of Nargothrond. the orcs are pillaginf away after Glaurung led them to victory... then without warning climbs up over the wall, flames them all, and sits on them...

just lovely.
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Posted 16 February 2005 - 06:05 PM

Yeah, Tolkien's genius. Personally, I say Ungoliant was way creepier than Glaurung, but thats just me.
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Posted 18 February 2005 - 11:03 AM

Yes, no one in the history of the entire world has ever summed up my thoughts on the Silmarilion as well as Madam Corvax. It bored me out of my skull.

Although it seems to me that it wasn't made for publishing, unless someone actually wanted to read the Tolkien canon equivilent to the Bible. But then it would be up to the people after Tolkien to decide. I don't know.

I don't read Tolkien and say "OMG best fantasy story EVAR!!!!!!!111111oneoneone" but he's not bad. What carrys most of the reading for me was the deep pool of lore that is in the Silmarillion which fueled the LotR trilogy. He was obviously a good story teller, but a linguist, not a writer.
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Posted 20 February 2005 - 03:44 PM

QUOTE (Slade @ Feb 18 2005, 11:03 AM)
Although it seems to me that it wasn't made for publishing, unless someone actually wanted to read the Tolkien canon equivilent to the Bible.

Well, Slade, this is even better than the phonebook. It is the equivalent of the Bible. And honestly, who would read the whole Bible back to back? I tried once, and it bored me, honestly. Some people, however, do treat it as a holy verse

QUOTE (Slade @ Feb 18 2005, 11:03 AM)
What carrys most of the reading for me was the deep pool of lore that is in the Silmarillion which fueled the LotR trilogy. He was obviously a good story teller, but a linguist, not a writer.


Precisely. His Arda is based on the language. The first thing he started his creation with were Elvish languages, Quenya and Sindarin. For heaven's sake, he even invented how Quenya evolved into Sindarin.

BTW, I hate linguistics.
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Posted 20 February 2005 - 07:00 PM

QUOTE (Wayne @ Feb 16 2005, 06:05 PM)
Yeah, Tolkien's genius. Personally, I say Ungoliant was way creepier than Glaurung, but thats just me.


yeah she was one formidable bitch, and instrumental in significance of Lammoth...
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Posted 25 February 2005 - 03:47 PM

Ungoliant ate herself. Thats a pretty anticlimatic death for the villain who ended the spring of Arda.

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 08:14 PM

she nearly devoured the darkest dark lord of them all...
then was beaten off by an army of balrogs...
then went into an area that she turned into utter poison and gave birth to shelob and others...

the exact quote is:
'...some have said that she ended long ago, when in her uttermost famine she devoured herself at last'.

i think that's pretty cool.

that's the best thing about the silmarillion, and what has inspired my own work the most... not all have some glorious death.

all though i beleive hers to be quite melodramatic and cool...

i like the random ness in there...
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Posted 16 June 2005 - 08:05 PM

The Silmarillion is a great book but it's hard to remember those names. wacko.gif
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Posted 18 June 2005 - 04:10 PM

QUOTE (Slade @ Feb 18 2005, 11:03 AM)
He was obviously a good story teller, but a linguist, not a writer.



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Tolkien.. was a linguist.. and a writer.. I mean dude, you can't be a Philology professor at Oxford without being a good writer. rolleyes.gif

Yeah, The Silmarillion was never completed- Tolkien did plan on finishing it and publishing but unfortunately never completed the task. Christopher put the Silmarillion together. I think it's a great book- never thought of it like a phone book, more like a history book.. I love it.

And then you have all the histories of middle earth books, which contain Tolkien's earlier conceptions of the stories in the sil and lotr- fascinacting stuff. There were like 3 different versions of the Lay of Luithien, really cool to read the different versions and see how it developed. The first version was insane, with like these evil fighting cats at Melkor's fortress and stuff.. good read though. I always thought cats were evil anyway. rolleyes.gif

BTW- random interesting Tolkien fact- his wife's and his graves are side by side- and his says Beren and hers says Luthien.. he asked for that before he died.
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Posted 18 June 2005 - 10:57 PM

The Silmarillion would be more awesome if Tolkien had finished it...
But sadly he died. sad.gif
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 05:27 PM

Since I like history and mythology, I greatly enjoyed Silmarilion. I only wished it was more detailed. I love Melkor. Actually I am Melkor!
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Posted 05 December 2005 - 07:54 PM

*uh hem*

oh thread long past... i breath unlife into thee...

walk again...

sorry, i've been talking about the sil. a bit latley with others and would like to keep this conversation going, or resterted or whatever...
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Posted 06 December 2005 - 04:44 AM

I always say, Tolkien wasn't too great a writer, but the way he created Arda is simply beyond... well... anything.
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Posted 06 December 2005 - 06:38 PM

i think everyone bags out his writing style way too much...

it wasn't good pulp writing, but i found it very engaging. not just for content (which is what makes it so superior to other works IMO along with it's seniority). his style was submerged in an old style of story telling that i think sadly went unnapreciated, not out of fault of his readers but he just chose a very sentimental approach.
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Posted 05 April 2006 - 11:47 PM

Tolkien's writing style, I think, depended on one thing: whether you could believe in Middle Earth or not. He had created something and he was putting every bit of it there for you to see. He already knew the names of the people buried in the Far Downs, and he knew all of the kings of Gondor, and so on and so forth. He wasn't going to condescend or waste time with explaining his world during the story (the trilogy plus the hobbit) because it existed so fully within his mind and on paper.

I think the ability to see his vision and read between the lines is what determines whether people do or do not get Tolkien.

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