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Woman Files $10M Suit Vs. Starbucks Wednesday, December 31, 2003

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Posted 02 January 2004 - 01:10 PM

The thing about juries is that they tend to see corporations as faceless (and sometimes evil) entities, so when a corporation is sued (be it McDonald’s or an insurance company) by a “real” person with feelings and emotions, they are eager to award money to a person, because they’re not really hurting anyone.
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Posted 02 January 2004 - 01:25 PM

I'm so sick of everyone sueing. Hot Coffee? Coffee should be hot. If this was some small time coffee shop that sold the lady the coffee then she would no sue.
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Posted 02 January 2004 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE (Guest @ Jan 2 2004, 01:25 PM)
Hot Coffee? Coffee should be hot. If this was some small time coffee shop that sold the lady the coffee then she would no sue.

These two women would have complained if the coffee were cold.
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Posted 02 January 2004 - 02:40 PM

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The thing about juries is that they tend to see corporations as faceless (and sometimes evil) entities, so when a corporation is sued (be it McDonald’s or an insurance company) by a “real” person with feelings and emotions, they are eager to award money to a person, because they’re not really hurting anyone.

I don't think that's what happened so much with McDonald's, but yeah, juries are stupid. In the McDonald's case, the judge called the lawyer for the corporation "callous," so there was more going on there than a sympathetic jury.

I've always felt that there's no need to reform the tort law, but what the system need is pofessional jurors. It's total nonsense (if you ask me) to have all these cases decided by people who, by and large, have no interest in the law and who would rather be someplace else. The process of selecting a jury is time-consuming and expensive, and every single trial that involves evidence of any kind has to waste some time instructing juries on how evidence should be examined. So yeah, it would cost the courts money, but probably not as much as many people fear, after you've factored in all the time saved.
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Posted 02 January 2004 - 03:33 PM

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I don't think that's what happened so much with McDonald's, but yeah, juries are stupid. In the McDonald's case, the judge called the lawyer for the corporation "callous," so there was more going on there than a sympathetic jury.

It is partly sympathy. Juries rarely “vote” in favor of someone whom they perceive as callous, arrogant, or “too intelligent.”

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I've always felt that there's no need to reform the tort law, but what the system need is pofessional jurors.  It's total nonsense (if you ask me) to have all these cases decided by people who, by and large, have no interest in the law and who would rather be someplace else.  The process of selecting a jury is time-consuming and expensive, and every single trial that involves evidence of any kind has to waste some time instructing juries on how evidence should be examined.  So yeah, it would cost the courts money, but probably not as much as many people fear, after you've factored in all the time saved.


It’s true that most people who work or go to school full time don’t have time to sit on juries, so you often end up with less rational people. However, a system of professional jurors has its own set of problems that I’m not sure are any better than the current situation.
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Posted 02 January 2004 - 06:03 PM

I served on a jury last year, and it was a great experience. I was actually pretty quiet until someone said "i want to hear what that guy thinks" and i said "well, I don't believe any of them" and everyone laughed in agreement. Juries aren't stupid. but there were no tv cameras around either. anyhow, I enjoyed the process and am grateful for it. even though a lot of time was wasted, the wheels of justice did turn. forwards in this case.
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Posted 11 January 2004 - 10:45 PM

if im not mistaken it said that it was "leaking from the cup". if she didn't see it leaking than i couldn't be a very big leak. and yes, usually when something "hot" touches you, you go "holy shit." and drop the cup. what the hell was she doing. watching it spill on her arm. she must have been holding it above chest level, cause when people usually carry coffee, it's at their waste. so whatever she was doing to get coffee on her arm- running, jumping, jump roping, doing jumping jacks, chasing a drug addict over a chain link fence-wasn't very smart to do with a cup of coffee in your hand.

although starbucks and mcdonalds can easily afford the money they lost, it's just that it's stupid to sue for such a fu**ing retarded reasons. god i hate cretins.

(another thing. if she didn't go "holy shit" and drop the cup at the first drop of "scalding" coffee, than they have nerve damage, or are too slow to be in public.)
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Posted 11 February 2004 - 03:02 AM

I am a simple minded reader, compared to the magnificent wordsmithing and sense of humor that
most of you - but sadly, at times, not all of you -- exhibit.

-- McDonald's, did not tell the full story at first. error.
1. During the winter cold, many customers bought a number of cups of coffee and took them some
place to enjoy.
2. Due to the cold, and the delayed drinking, the McDonald's in question, set the temperature
HIGHER than normal, for that location, not just higher in terms of a national standard. But don't
tell customers what we are doing. Any warning, might scare away potential coffee buyers.
3. In law school, during the first semester, in the first chapter, TORTS 101, "the mink case" has
been well known to almost all law students for a number of generations: To build a highway,
dynamite is used, a few miles a way, a mink farm has a number of captive and caged minks, of
which some are very sensitive to such load noises. Minks by nature, like humans and most animals
with claws, don't like to be caged. A caged mink, due to any change, can kill their partners, and
even scratch themselves to the point that the resulting loss of blood causes death. The managers of
Mink farms are always careful and "on their toes." Well, with a number of dead minks, a mink
farmer sues. Your noise directly caused my minks to be upset, and a number of my minks died, and
I want their monitary worth. JUDGE: Minks by nature are so EXTRAORDINARILY
SENSITIVE, even a mink farmer could not have pre-guessed or assumed a potential problem; NO
CLAIM can be honored to pay the mink farmers.
4. Now, did the SEAT MANUFACTURE or the CAR MFG. have a responsibility to design the
seat to slope down in the front, so occupants of cars, with millions per day partaking in fast foods
"drive thru" services, are protected by the obvious occasional spills? They knew that this could
happen from time-to-time. The cost to so design better and safe front car seats would not have been
a costly. Such Mfg.’s could have and should have protected the public; they clearly decided to save
a few dollars and/or earn more by not having safe seats. They knew that a small number of people
would still food from quick food locations and hurt themselves. THE PUBLIC BE DAMNED
spirit, with the help of their bean counters: $150 per car, 16 million new cars each year; seven
people per year with serious injuries, max. settlement is estimated at under $20k each, why waste
$2 billion protecting the public. LET THEM EAT CAKE & BURN. However, with their wise
judgment, THE JURY, it could have been my mom, OMG, the seat manufactors skimped to make
cars more affordable and to help sell more. The obvious cost to the unlucky seven per year, should
not be their cost alone. Cars should be safer, and ALL buyers should pay for that safety.
PUNITIVE DAMAGES.
5. Currently, the blight of society and our USA American culture, is not VERY HOT COFFEE --
served in easy to pour or leaking cups, nor is it the sneaky personal injury lawyers; it is the invisible
UFO that fly far too close to our streets and cause poor innocent, law abiding, citizens - and
residents - to spill their coffee. I, myself, am sick and appalled that nobody is taking a stand against
such poor fly maneuvers, especially, when they are just too cheap to adequately learn our language
and to buy maps. How does anyone call it law suit abuse, when there are not law suits against the
MFG. of such UFO's, their pilots, the navigators, even the passengers. Why is that? How is this
possible? I guess it is possible; but, it just is not fair.
6. Sorry for any and all typos, but my keyboard just misspells all of the time. Where are the
sensible trial lawyers when you really need them? Out drinking some coffee, I guess.
7. I love this site. I get all of my news from no other site. it just has too many words.
8. Lastly, it is not the size of the leak, the issue is were the leak goes. It has to go some place.
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