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Additional reasons to hate SW Episode II

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Posted 01 May 2004 - 08:11 AM

Thought of another one.... how about Count Dookoo's show stealing entrance?

I think we were all blown away by the way Darth Vader just appears in the middle of the opening firefight in Star Wars. Suddenly the music dies and all the stormtroopers step back and this giant clad in black appears out of the smoke. And we all thought "Whoa! This guy is BAD."

But, my friends, that was nothing. Because the real scene-stealing entrance for a bad guy actually comes from Episode II when Count Dookoo makes his first big appearance in the movie. What a show stopper...

Obi Wan is wandering around this little hideout of his and suddenly the big bad himself appears, walking below, almost out of the frame, wandering past the camera with a bunch of cartoon friends and we get to hear a couple of lines of conversation with absolutely no context.

Wow... what an entrance! Lucas certainly knows how to make dramatic moments.
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Posted 01 May 2004 - 08:21 AM

Oh yeah, he's bad. I'm sure Sebulba would be undone if he saw Dooku at bike week.

hmm, do all the dark jedi have choppers? Maul, Dooku, Hayden's been on one...
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Posted 01 May 2004 - 12:27 PM

I agree about the floors. Maybe it's just me, but I thought Palpatines office looked extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeemely fake. It looked like humans walking around in a Darrel Hanna cartoon. Does anyone know if that was a real set or CGI created? Either way it looks so artificial!
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Posted 05 May 2004 - 08:54 AM

Thought of another complaint (I think Chef's list could easily be extended into hundreds of reasons). I do not buy that shit that the Death Star was designed by a bunch of cartoon termites. I didn't see much evidence to suggest that these critters could make much in the way of technology, let alone design the Death Star.

Sometimes I wonder what the great Alec Guiness or Peter Cushing would think if they saw these stupid films.

Maybe they might say. "Well George, if that's how you want to do things, do you think it'd be too much trouble to digitally remove us from the original trilogy so we have nothing to do with these movies any more?"
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Posted 05 May 2004 - 10:33 AM

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Posted 05 May 2004 - 07:09 PM

cool.gif Thanks.
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Posted 06 May 2004 - 02:19 AM

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Thought of another complaint (I think Chef's list could easily be extended into hundreds of reasons). I do not buy that shit that the Death Star was designed by a bunch of cartoon termites. I didn't see much evidence to suggest that these critters could make much in the way of technology, let alone design the Death Star.


I was going to bring up that point, too. Look around the Geonosis surroundings, the "hive" and it is all organic and without tight, geometric design, UNLIKE the Death Star.

It SHOULD'VE been the Empire's project. The DS should NOT have been a part of the prequels. How much do you want to wager it doesn't even factor into Ep. III?
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Posted 06 May 2004 - 02:51 AM

The termites were just an excuse to use more CG. Why Lucas even casted humans is beyond me. He would have done better just to turn the whole show into a fucking cartoon.

SW ep 1 and 2 successfully introduced about 100 thousand more species. None which stick out, just cause more aggrevation to the viewers

I've said this 100 times, but I say it again. I got a headache during the clone battle. So much shit was going on at once I nearly fell out of my seat. Each shot with in the scene last 5 seconds, jam packed with obnoxious bullshit that puts most punk rock mosh pits to shame.
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Posted 06 May 2004 - 03:25 AM

I got the same headache. There was so much stupid shit going on, for sure. Thousands of little CGI guys shooting thousands of little lasers.

This is Lucas' 5 year old brain thinking "The more things going on within the frame of my shots, the more epic this movie is."

I always find that smaller scale, more personal conflicts are much better than large scale ones with lots of stuff going on.

Take the Lord of the Rings trilogy as an example. Each movie had a big fight for a climax or centrepiece - and in each film, this fight was bigger than in the last one.

We went from the breaking of the fellowship... to the battle of Helm's Deep... to the battle of the Pellenor Fields.

Of those three battles, the small skermish with the Urak-hai that broke up the fellowship was the most powerful and moving. By the time it happens in the movie, you know all the characters involved really well. You know exactly who the bad guys are (they're not just pulled out of a hat like the trade federation army) and you see the battle through the eyes of the small handful of main characters.

This is high art cinema.

The battle at the end of Attack of the Clones however, is so far on the other end of the spectrum that it gives the other crappy battles there a bad name.

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SW ep 1 and 2 successfully introduced about 100 thousand more species. None which stick out, just cause more aggrevation to the viewers


Hell, yes. I could really live without Gungans, the Trade Federation aliens, flying green mosquitoes, two-headed announcers, termites and Count Dookoo's cartoon friends.

Has anybody noticed that in The Empire Strikes Back, there are almost no aliens? I think that this may be part of the reason why it's the best film. As it really focuses on the human characters, the drama is more real.

It is a film for all ages - but it is always mature.

Because of this, you're never too old to watch The Empire Strikes Back, unlike the prequels (and Return of the Jedi, if you're reading this, Mike).
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Posted 06 May 2004 - 09:32 PM

QUOTE (Commoner @ May 6 2004, 02:19 AM)
It SHOULD'VE been the Empire's project. The DS should NOT have been a part of the prequels. How much do you want to wager it doesn't even factor into Ep. III?

Well given the scale of the Death Star, it is certaily something that should have taken quite a few years to have been constructed. As such, I have no issue with the Death Star figuring in the PT - it is one piece of continuity that Lucas has not managed to screw up.

However, I do not feel that it was necessary to bash me over the head with the obscenely obvious references to the Death Star - and it absolutely, under no circumstances, should have been shown. It is a project, that as you say Commoner, should have been a project of the Empires, but it shoudl only have been elluded too. There should have been subtle references at the most. Portents of the bigger things to come in the OT.

But that is again one of the failng of these films. A complete inability for subtlety. We are smashed and slammed with references and "jokes" that give hints to the coming action and what will be.

The Death Star does have a place in the PT, but it should merely be conceptual and no direct images or references should have ever been made.
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Posted 07 May 2004 - 10:51 AM

Yeah, the prequels do seem to bash things over your head all the time, don't they? Like in Episode I when they introduced R2-D2. We all got it. Everyone in the cinema knew who he was but they just had to do a big song and dance about it...

"The droid's number is - okay, audience, all together now... "

Also, I just loved the way that when they showed the design for the Death Star twice in case nobody got the "subtle" reference the first time.
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Posted 09 May 2004 - 11:04 AM

Supes, I'd agree with you, if it weren't for the fact that DS II was built in only three years.
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 12:51 AM

No, no, no, Admiral - just add that to the list of flaws with Return of the Jedi.
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Posted 10 May 2004 - 01:15 AM

QUOTE (Just your average movie goer @ May 10 2004, 12:51 AM)
No, no, no, Admiral - just add that to the list of flaws with Return of the Jedi.

Yes, that's what I was doing. I have always felt that the Death Star II was just the wrong thing to do, despite enjoying ROTJ over all.
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Posted 12 May 2004 - 04:40 AM

I reckon have the rebels strike an Imperial Ship Yard - that would be excellent!

Wait, that's what I've got planned for my alternative Episode VI.

Man, I haven't done anything on that... I'm so lazy (actually I'm so buggered after work each day that I don't feel like doing anything)....

I've got the blurb down and a little bit of the start. Maybe I might try to write some more later.

I'd like to meet Vwing's challenge. He gave me an interesting thought to think about - how would I tie up the Star Wars saga in just one instalment and how would I deal with the other.

I've got the perfect idea for the other but I better keep it under wraps so when I do eventually finish this thing, it will have some surprise factor.
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