[Chyld]

Felt like adding something else to the Debate forum. Simple premise; is there a God/Gods? Have we got any proof?

And in the given style of this board, here's a random picture...

[Jane Sherwood]

I personally think that God (or some form of Powers That Be) exists, and overall, he's a pretty cool dude with a strange sense of humor. I don't like or trust religion at all, though...it frightens me... Proof, though? That's a bit trickier, it's like trying to prove that my Muses exist, only on an infinitely larger scale.

I generally consider myself agnostic for lack of a better word(I don't know if there's a God or not, but I think there is), but according to a short (one word) note left on a philosophy essay I wrote, some of the ideas I figured up from my own reasoning match with those of deism.

[Dr Lecter]

I have plenty of proof there is no god:
1. Bush is president
2. 9/11 happened
3. Religious wars happened, if I were god I wouldn't let people declare war in my name since I told them to live in peace.
4. All the genocides (arwenian, the holocaust (choosen because they were both religious based genocide), etc)
5. People starve to death every second, while some americans each day eat enough food to feed the whole of Africa for a year.

Theres loads more but those 5 are all I can think of right now.

This post has been edited by Dr Lecter: 04 March 2005 - 01:44 PM

[Jane Sherwood]

I think God created the Universe, then, for the most part, decided to step back and see how it played out naturally by itself.

And when you think about it, all that shit you just listed off is our fault.

(...Well, not our fault personally, but mankind in general.)

This post has been edited by Jane Sherwood: 04 March 2005 - 01:57 PM

[Chyld]

Personally, whether or not there is a God, Jesus laid down quite a sensible plan: be good to each other. Now all the Bible gets used for these days is starting wars over oil, and speaking out against homosexuality. Crossref: JM's quote in Lector's sig.

[Madam Corvax]

I am positive there is no God. I am a thorough Atheist. There are plenty of websites about atheism, and they just basically confirm my belief.

There is no God. I can't see any proof of it. If anyone here comes with a valid proof of God, let me know.

I understand that having a fatih in God is a blessing. I wish I had that, and can derive comfort in this life by believing that there is a better life after this one.

BUt if there is, why exactly have we this life?

If it is only created by God to check out who is worthy of the BETTER life, then said God is the most cruel creature in the world.

Which by definition contradicts the notion of God, merciful and just.

[Jane Sherwood]

My thoughts on the Hereafter: "Let's keep trying until we get it right."

That's right, I think people reincarnate. If there is a heaven or higher realm or something I don't think people can earn their way there after only a few decades of existence. Plus, if your life sucks you should get a chance at a better one, and you get as many chances as you need. Well, it may all sound silly, but it seems like a perfectly reasonable course of actions to me.

As for hell, I don't believe in hell. At least, I don't think humans go there. I think it takes a special type of Evil (note the capitalization) to be cast into that Realm, one that all but a few humans are truly capable of achieving.

It's hard to say with that kind of stuff. Heaven and hell always seem to be such black and white topics, but there are too many shades of gray to take into consideration.

[Kirby]

Yes I agree with Jane about the hell thing, I mean how can He/She/Marlin Brando create a catch all catagory for a range that goes from Stalin all the way to the guy that shoplifted a candy bar at Wallmart?

In the immortal words of Chris Rock in Dogma

"Religion isn't bad, I think it's better to have Ideas. You can change an Idea easy, but Religion is a bit more tricky, people fight over it, People die over it."

My belief just smashes a sort of 'Best Of' Religious incorperating reincarnation, miricals, karma, and all the things that fit me at the time.

I'd like to think there is a guy up there looken at us with his X-ray glasses but at times I do think to myself that all that is bull shit, then continue to keep my thoughts to myself.

Side Note: Someday I might bust out my nowhere-near-complete panthion of nerd gods. Pray that I will get it done someday.

[Emu]

It looks like that man is having dental work done on him by a tree.

My beliefs lie somewhere between agnosticism and atheism (I don't think there are higher powers, but I'm not adamant about it either.) I would like there to be reincarnation, since that would be really cool, but I don't really think that there's any sort of afterlife either. I derive comfort from the fact that time and the universe are infinite, and anything that happens here and now are relatively insignificant (despite the fact that probably most people would find that thought more disconcerting than cheering.) I don't really think there is any point to our existence, so we just have to make the best of it while it lasts.

[Laughlyn]

Isn't hell supposed to have loads of levels, you know if you die unbaptised you go to purgatory (Lv13 Brighton), and if you commit geocide you go to the pits (Lv666 Barnsley). There's probably a special presidential level as well, further down past the AOL office.

Maybe Heaven has the same thing, with a luxury set of clouds up top and access to god personal disco lounge. Always double booked of course, that why the Jehovas are picky about their room numbers. God's not very good with numbers, sincehe apparently forgives everyone and causes massive overcrowding, so Adolf is throwing up in the northcloud resort pool as we speak......

If there is a god, or goddess, or a big multiarmed elephant balancing on a mouse. They have a lot of explaining to do.

[Kirby]

You know what I said up there about thinking there is a god? Well SCREW THAT!!! A just and loving god would never let the water pipes above my room leak all over my PS2, Super Nentendo and (most importantly) my Talking Spiderman Bobble-head and a Cruel hateful god would just turn air into acid . I am feeling so much anger right now :angry: , but the light side is that the damage was localized to those three things and the carpet, so all is not lost (especially my comics )

Sigh... I need a hug

[Dr Lecter]

There are only two possibles:
1. There is no God, quite creditable and the one I believe.
2. There is an evil God. He lets people in poor countries die from starvation, while working 16 hours a day, everyday, for a enough money to buy a few grains of rice a week (assuming their local has any/if the owner isn't dead already), drink water so poluted that drinking cyanide would probably be safer. While, in Richer countries people who never worked a day in their live, own like 7 cars and live in manisions the size of entire towns, eating caviar and drinking champagne.

Any God that allows this to happen doesn't deserve to be worshipped.

[Laughlyn]

Lecter:
God's excuse for evil is probably sim city syndrome; he spends all that time making the land,sky, aardvarks etc that after a few thousand years of tinkering with his creation he just sits back to see how we end up on our own (and throws in a few earthquakes and forest fires to keep himself interested).

Kirby:
Bad luck dude, but I'm not going to hug you, that's not my style.

All in all I don't believe in God, or at least God in the Christian sense. If Kirby's anything to go by I expect to get struck by lightning at about noon.

[Jane Sherwood]

I think the idea for different levels of hell was all created by Dante...

[use the force]

yes there is a god and i worship him every day. Iam of course talking about the almighty George Lucas and his stellar prequels. Without them i would have no life. YOu best be careful DR lecter, I sacrifice GL bashers.