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Posted 12 November 2003 - 10:45 PM

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Or, maybe I have it all wrong. Was there anything about Eps 1 or 2 that you find worthwhile which haven't been blasted to pieces yet? I couldn't think of any. Except for the vader breathing sound at the last part of Episode 1's closing credits. that was kind of cool.

Just to take this back to the original question for a minute ;-)

Probably the only thing I foundappealing from 1 & 2 was that there was shown a way in which to defend against the Dark Side lightening that wiped the floor with Luke. Watching Obi-Wan defend against it with his lightsaber actually brings a little bit of a link to ROTJ when Luke throws away his lightsaber before telling the Emporer that he's failed. Anyone who has never seen them and watches the films in order will likely have a different experience than those of us that saw them in reverse.

In addition I really enjoyed the display of Yoda actually absorbing the lightening. Showing that with a higher level of control (not necessarily power) a fully trained Jedi can stand against the power of the Dark Side.

Beyond this, I'm hard pressed to come up with much...
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Posted 12 November 2003 - 11:08 PM

actually in all fairness, i must say that the sound effects are imaculate.
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Posted 12 November 2003 - 11:32 PM

"I'd like some background into his relationship with Palpatine. Out of nowhere, he's talking with this big important person. This would be like me suddenly chatting with the Prime Minister of Canada."

Hang on .. I thought you said somebody *inportant* !!! Hyuck hyuck.

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Anyway, why I'm posting here, apart from that lame smart-ass crack, is to reply to another post about REVENGE OF THE JEDI. I'm sure you've all seen the poster, right? That's how far the concept went; everyone knew the title was going to be REVENGE, for like a year or so. The ad guys went as far as to produce and even release posters. I'm sure what happened was some twelve-year-old child, too young and innocent to fear a big insane man, pulled upon the hem of Lucas's mighty garment and whispered "But Santa, don't the Jedi decry Revenge? Or at least, don't they eschew it? I was sure that at the very least they held it in low favour." And then Lucas's eyes were opened (for like, fifteen minutes), and after a swift round of sackings, he settled the matter and worked the official spin.

The OFFICIAL story, from God's own lips, is that the title was a clever ruse. "We had many false titles, to fool the press," Lucas is quoted saying in THE STAR WARS ANNOTATED SCREENPLAYS. "I guess there was a communication error and that one was unknown to the advertising people, and so they made those posters." uh-huhn. I was 14 at the time JEDI came out, and I was following the STAR WARS gossip as closely as anyone else who has a friend working in a comic book store. ***There were no other titles!!!*** REVENGE, lie I said, was the title everyone knew for about a year. And I won't buy that the ad guys were actually printing posters without Lucas's final approval. Even "Hey, what do you think of this one?" in the middle of a meeting about distribution and potential toy and food tie-ins should have caught that problem. *** Add to which: there is no reason to "fool the press" with false titles. The sooner you get the brand name out there, the better for the box office. I would think. And that's why we all knew, for so long ... yadda yadda yadda.

Right up there with the legendary TIME magazine article where Lucas revealed that he had always had, from day one, nine fully articulated story treatments for a series of three trilogies, the REVENGE OF THE JEDI poster "accident" ranks up there with "lies that would not fool a child."

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Posted 12 November 2003 - 11:33 PM

Fair call on the sound effects. I wasn't even considering the technical aspects of the films.
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Posted 31 October 2004 - 12:23 AM

"Is there anything GL could pull off that would be acceptable to "classic" fans? scrap the prequels and begin anew? Class action lawsuit? Admit that it was all a hoax designed to postpone the prequels and provide monetary backing needed for a Bigger and Better Star Wars Series; when after a "well crafted experiment" he'll more ably know what to avoid?"

Hah!LOL! Funny and insane, but so true...an unfortunate but worthwhile dream. I think we'll have to wait until he's dead, so we can take Star Wars back from his cold dead hands.


"Or, maybe I have it all wrong. Was there anything about Eps 1 or 2 that you find worthwhile which haven't been blasted to pieces yet? I couldn't think of any. Except for the vader breathing sound at the last part of Episode 1's closing credits. that was kind of cool."

I actually envisioned a totally different, yet awesome Episode I after the preview. In the film I thought it was going to be, the "Phantom Menace" was the cloaked sith, appearing secretly to anakin while he was being trained, undoing the training and luring him to the dark side. A creative spin on the hologram/apparition appearing as Darth Sidious, and that Yoda, and Mace and Quigon were trying to unravel this mystery of the sith. For example, I really thought Lucas was going to be a genius and use these elements he introduced in the first films and bring a new spin, a clever one, I mean that first preview gave me chills! I imagined the Phantom Menace as Darth Sideous/the Emperor and the Sith using what they have at their disposal to covertly overthrow the government through this conspiracy, plotting to have turned and trained Vader/Anakin this new and promising Jedi apprentice as their front man in Episode II or III. The eriee feeling of a Sith lord appearing at your bedside as a kid, in a hologram, telling him secrets of the SIth or something really appealed to me, and I thought that there was going to be some battle on Tatooine with the weird stealth fighter, and expected a bunch of Boba Fetts or guys in Fett armor landing with jetpacks to come landing down slaughtering jawas and ...and... oh well I am boring you now, its all in my head...and it was truly cool. But, as we have rehashed so much, it was crap.
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