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US Abandons Search for Saddam's WMD Thursday, January 13, 2005

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Posted 13 January 2005 - 09:03 AM

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US Abandons Search for Saddam's Wmd
By Mark Sage, PA, in New York

The fruitless hunt for Saddam Hussein’s alleged weapons of mass destruction has come to an end, the White House confirmed today.

Officials with the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), the body established to find the very weapons which justified the war, have reported that no weapons have been found.

In fact, Saddam did not have the capability to make WMDs since 1991, the inspectors found.

The ISG returned to the US last month amid growing dangers from insurgents in Iraq.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said there was no longer an active search for weapons.

“There may be a couple, a few people, that are focused on that,” he said, but added that the search had largely concluded.

He went on: “If they have any reports of (weapons of mass destruction) obviously they’ll continue to follow up on those reports.

“A lot of their mission is focused elsewhere now.”

An interim report, written by former ISG head Charles Duelfer, will largely serve as the group’s final conclusions.

In the report last September, Mr Duelfer reported that Saddam not only had no weapons of mass destruction and had not made any since 1991, but that he had no capability of making any either.

Few changes will be made to the document, Mr McClellan said.

The Duelfer document contradicted virtually all the pre-war claims from London and Washington about Saddam possessing biological and chemical weapons, and reconstituting Iraq’s nuclear programme.

An intelligence official told the Washington Post that the chances of weapons being hidden inside Iraq, or having been shipped out of the country before the war, were very small.

The search was called off amid the growing insurgency and risk of attack or kidnap in Iraq.

The Iraq Survey Group, made up of some 1,200 military and intelligence specialists and support staff, spent nearly two years searching military installations, factories and laboratories whose equipment and products might be converted quickly to making weapons.

Every suspect site in Iraq has been inspected by the ISG or plundered by insurgents and looters.

Most of the suspects have also been rounded up and questioned.

“We’ve talked to so many people that someone would have said something,” an intelligence official told the Washington Post.

“We received nothing that contradicts the picture we’ve put forward. It’s possible there is a supply some place, but what is much more likely is that we will find a greater substantiation of the picture that we’ve already put forward.”

The ISG still exists and is based at the Pentagon under Marine Corps Brigadier General Joseph McMenamin.

The group is now mainly concentrating on counter-insurgency work.

The ISG has urged the Pentagon to release scientists who have been questioned at length about Iraq’s weapons capabilities.

They are General Amir Saadi, a liaison between Saddam’s government and UN inspectors; Rihab Taha, a biologist nicknamed “Dr Germ” in the west; her husband, Amir Rashid, the former oil minister; and Huda Amash, another biologist who earned the nickname “Mrs Anthrax“.

The ISG determined that none of the scientists had been involved in Iraqi weapons programmes since the first Gulf War.

http://news.scotsman....cfm?id=3993350


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Posted 13 January 2005 - 09:11 AM

Hmm, strange night, strange morning. This puts ol' Bush in a bit of a pickle, doesn't it? I know that JM's going to cover the political ramifications better than I am, so I'll just agree with the Elfman, and thank the inspectors for proving it all.
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Posted 13 January 2005 - 10:03 AM

It doesn't really put Bush in a pickle, because nobody in America knows about this (Chef found it in a Scottish newspaper!) and because Bush is a master at denying cold, hard, indisputable facts and having people believe him.
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Posted 13 January 2005 - 10:09 AM

It should put Tony Blair in even more of a pickle, since his entire case for going to war was based on the assurance that Saddam had WMDs (later changed to WMD 'programmes' when it became clear that there was nothing to be found.) Now the Iraqi Survey Group has confirmed what everyone else realised months ago - that Hussein did not have WMDs, was not attempting to produce them, and couldn't have done even if he had wanted to. Unfortunately the British media seem to be more interested in Prince Harry dressing up in a Nazi costume for a party. rolleyes.gif
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Posted 13 January 2005 - 11:26 AM

Well, I just hollered it across my room, and my roommate already knew, which means it must have gotten into the British news, at least. But then again, I do keep forgetting about the Naziesque American media.

And as for Harry-boy, wasn't it a fancy dress party he was at? Does it really matter what one fancy dresses up as?
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Posted 13 January 2005 - 11:29 AM

QUOTE (Laura @ Jan 13 2005, 10:03 AM)
It doesn't really put Bush in a pickle, because nobody in America knows about this (Chef found it in a Scottish newspaper!) and because Bush is a master at denying cold, hard, indisputable facts and having people believe him.


Exactly. It could be on the front page of the NY Times and it wouldn't matter. The bottom line is that no one in America seems to care after the fact. If they foudn out it was all lies BEFORE the war then maybe there's be a chance. After the fact it's almost as if everyone's too lazy to bring it up.

QUOTE (Helena @ Jan 13 2005, 10:09 AM)
It should put Tony Blair in even more of a pickle, since his entire case for going to war was based on the assurance that Saddam had WMDs (later changed to WMD 'programmes' when it became clear that there was nothing to be found.) Now the Iraqi Survey Group has confirmed what everyone else realised months ago - that Hussein did not have WMDs, was not attempting to produce them, and couldn't have done even if he had wanted to. Unfortunately the British media seem to be more interested in Prince Harry dressing up in a Nazi costume for a party. rolleyes.gif


I dunno. Bush's entire reason for going to war was the assurance that Saddam had WMD. No one seems to care one way or another.

Sadly I just saw that Prince Harry/Nazi costume story. Too little, too late. sad.gif
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Posted 13 January 2005 - 01:26 PM

What? No WMDs? I am astounded. This can't be right. People don't go to war based on total and deliberate lies! It's clearly just a byproduct of the rampant liberal media that has been designed to confuse the poor sap that reads it.

On a serious note, I've been saying that there were no WMDs since early 2002. And that a. We don't hear about this, and b. People don't care frightens me beyond all capacity for further rational thought. I'm just waiting for the Democrats to be sent to concentration camps... err, excuse me, "internment camps". I'm surprised the US bothered to admit this to anyone at all. I would think they'd have someone who would keep insisting that they were there, just buried deep down in the sand. But I guess they don't even need to do that, because the Republicans over here can do whatever they want anyway. Why are the democrats such wusses?

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Posted 13 January 2005 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE (Slade @ Jan 13 2005, 01:26 PM)
On a serious note, I've been saying that there were no WMDs since early 2002.


So was the Bush Administration in August of 2001. I wonder what changed their mind? blink.gif
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Posted 13 January 2005 - 02:06 PM

QUOTE (Slade @ Jan 13 2005, 01:26 PM)
I'm surprised the US bothered to admit this to anyone at all. I would think they'd have someone who would keep insisting that they were there, just buried deep down in the sand. But I guess they don't even need to do that, because the Republicans over here can do whatever they want anyway. Why are the democrats such wusses?


Exactly. It doesn't matter that the facts are out there. There are plenty of facts out there demonstrating, time and time again, how Bush has outright lied about a myriad of very important subjects. But none of it matters. During the election, the media placed Bush's lies about WMDs, policy, and financial conflict of interest on the same level of significance as Kerry not knowing the baseball score.

They don't even make the effort to hide their corruption anymore, and they don't have to. Consistent screwing over of the American people has zero negative consequences.
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Posted 13 January 2005 - 02:17 PM

Yeah, but c'mon, Kerry thought the Red Sox won 11-10 when they won 10-9. What a waffler!!
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Posted 13 January 2005 - 02:58 PM

I am sick of these "random" postings of news by Chefelf. Who cares? War? False pretenses? Lies? Lives in the balance? This is supposed to be a fun board where you don't have to think about such things. How dare you continue to post this utter nonsense and random crap.

Nobody cares Chefelf.

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What honest reason would you have to post this? None. If nobody gives a shit that the US Government, mainly Bush and his fascist horde are torturing people, demanding death squads and executions, and forcing people in this country to be tagged, tracked and monitored at every moment, then who cares about Weapons of Mass destruction, I mean really.

Pissed that Torture and freedom is still an issue with me?

BECAUSE IT HASN'T GONE AWAY SINCE MY LAST POSTS. When people stop talking about it, when people forget, JUSt LIKE ThE HOLOCAUST, then the truth is vanquished by evil.

No matter where, whether on the street corner, a coffee shop, in your church, your school, favorite comic store, porno shop or wherever the hell you choose to waste your time, or home, if you turn away from the TRUTH then LIES win, and you deserve neither freedom nor a life secure from torture or pain.

Go ahead turn away, forget about it, tell everyone to shut the fuck up. Nobody cares anyway, right?

My answer to all you asssholes who said "Nobody Cares" to me a thousand times:

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Posted 13 January 2005 - 04:38 PM

From an external perspective (as a Brit with a strange fascination for American politics) I might add that it seems slightly uneven that Clinton could have impeachment procedings brought him for lying about his personal relations yet Bush can get away scot free with lying to take the country to war.
Of course Bush can just claim that it was the intelligence services that were to blame (like Blair has), but whatever happened to President Truman's attitude of 'the buck stops here'? Not forgetting this is the man who said of Iraq "we will not accept anything less than complete honesty."
What seems to be the favourite excuse at the moment is that Saddam was an evil dictator and the world is a better place without him. While I agree that he was the brutal head of an equally brutal regime, I do not agree with the so-called Bush doctrine that this is an acceptable reason to invade another sovereign nation. If regime change was the idea in the first place, why didn't they aid Iraq's people in an uprising? You'd almost think they feared losing something by using that route...
Bush's doctrine of preemptive military action has set a precedent that is not a precedent at all, which basically says "you can invade who you like as long as they're a threat and/or a brutal regime." But does this mean that the Bush administration would gladly go on to remove brutal regimes in places like Zimbabwe, North Korea, Iran and Sudan to liberate their oppressed peoples? Of course they won't because liberation is apparently only an excuse for war, not a reason for it.
At the end of the day, any international multilateral action has to be taken with the consent of the USA - it is the world's only superpower. It just seems unfortunate that its incumbent (and freshly re-elected sad.gif) administration seems to throw the country's weight around in a fashion that not only derides the US reputation around the world but also undermines the international laws that it claims to be upholding.

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Posted 13 January 2005 - 06:39 PM

So basically the one and only valid reason for declaring war on another country has just been declared null and void. Yet I can't help but notice the troops are still there. How fantastically shameless and brazen. They really just don't care about opposition anymore, do they... Bush and his cronies must be feeling ultra secure after they snagged the election win. I suppose they're assuming that no one will remember this when they put together a few benefits schemes and lower taxes slightly before the next election comes. What's depressing is that they're probably right. Assuming that elections haven't been done away with by then. *dark mutterings*

Hell, most of America wouldn't give a shit even if they knew, really. 'Well, maybe he did declare illegal war on another country, but he's the president and he must know what he's doing cos you have to be real smart to get that job, so I'm gonna vote for him anyway'.
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Posted 13 January 2005 - 06:50 PM

in 4years time it'll all be forgotten, unless Bush keeps up his batting average and stars another 2 wars. Shakes up America on the world stage somewhat, the UN isn't going to listen to anymore 'WMD' claims from them for a while. Tony on the other hand, is F*CKED! He can't even blame MI5.

But wait, They're still looking through some documents! They might 'find' something just before the next election.....
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Posted 13 January 2005 - 07:47 PM

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I am sick of these "random" postings of news by Chefelf. Who cares? War? False pretenses? Lies? Lives in the balance? This is supposed to be a fun board where you don't have to think about such things. How dare you continue to post this utter nonsense and random crap.

Nobody cares Chefelf.


I'm sure there's irony in here somewhere...

QUOTE (Slade)
What? No WMDs? I am astounded. This can't be right. People don't go to war based on total and deliberate lies! It's clearly just a byproduct of the rampant liberal media that has been designed to confuse the poor sap that reads it.

QUOTE (Laura)
Exactly. It doesn't matter that the facts are out there. There are plenty of facts out there demonstrating, time and time again, how Bush has outright lied about a myriad of very important subjects. But none of it matters. During the election, the media placed Bush's lies about WMDs, policy, and financial conflict of interest on the same level of significance as Kerry not knowing the baseball score.

They don't even make the effort to hide their corruption anymore, and they don't have to. Consistent screwing over of the American people has zero negative consequences.

QUOTE (Mushroom)
Bush's doctrine of preemptive military action has set a precedent that is not a precedent at all, which basically says "you can invade who you like as long as they're a threat and/or a brutal regime." But does this mean that the Bush administration would gladly go on to remove brutal regimes in places like Zimbabwe, North Korea, Iran and Sudan to liberate their oppressed peoples? Of course they won't because liberation is apparently only an excuse for war, not a reason for it.

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Hell, most of America wouldn't give a shit even if they knew, really. 'Well, maybe he did declare illegal war on another country, but he's the president and he must know what he's doing cos you have to be real smart to get that job, so I'm gonna vote for him anyway'.

QUOTE (Laughlyn)
But wait, They're still looking through some documents! They might 'find' something just before the next election.....


The sad fact, is that I honestly believe the generic American people will actually believe/trust/acknowledge the contents of every single quote I've just quoted...
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