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Sluggy Freelance - Bad? Well? Is it bad?

#1 User is offline   Turtle Icon

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 09:34 PM

Yahtzee's list of things not to do in web comics seems to describe "Sluggy Freelance" pretty well. Which is odd, since Sluggy is one of the longest running comics out there and has a pretty large fan base. I've read through about half the archive but got a bit sick of it.

But yeah, it's odd that all these things alone make bad comics. But smash them all together, and look what happens. Or, more likely, this is where everyone got all the ideas, and crapified them with their wonderous web comic skills.
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Posted 11 January 2005 - 09:52 PM

Mneh. Whatever makes a webcomic good is the approach. It's the same with any form of written media. There's no way you can do something that's never been done before, so the trick is to do it in an amusing, witty, original way. All my favourite webcomics have those elements within them, and they detract not at all from the premise. In any case, I just had an argument with YZ and he got very indignant and said that he wasn't saying those things were bad, merely that they were very common. I have no idea what argument he was trying to make in that case, but there you are. Tried and tested formulas.

I do hate Sluggy Freelance though.

And I agree with the whole 'female characters' point (in fact, I will get arrogant here and claim that YZ's point is a paraphrasing of a rant that I've subjected him to many times). I've yet to find a webcomic featuring a likeable chick. Or rather, featuring a chick I don't have to be male to appreciate.

Grr.
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Posted 11 January 2005 - 09:55 PM

QUOTE (Turtle @ Jan 12 2005, 02:34 AM)
Yahtzee's list of things not to do in web comics seems to describe "Sluggy Freelance" pretty well.


It describes a lot of webcomics pretty well, that was the point. See also Mac Hall, Something Positive, and about half of Keenspot.
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Posted 11 January 2005 - 10:07 PM

The irony is that I was just about to start another webcomic which fitted into all five of those. Apart from the Mad Inventor, not sure how that'd fit in.

Typical, I just bought a new pen and pencil...

*kills self in Armageddon, restarts with new account, decides to have a crack at satire instead*

This post has been edited by Chyld: 11 January 2005 - 10:10 PM

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Posted 12 January 2005 - 05:45 AM

Sluggy is great. The main reason it works is that it doesn't take itself too seriously, and creates truly likeable characters.

EDIT: And a psychotic rabbit. And who doesn't love psychotic rabbits?

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Posted 12 January 2005 - 06:03 AM

While we’re on the matter of web-comics, I’m not sure how many of you have heard of a site called:
www.ctrlaltdel-online.com

http://www.ctrlaltde...date=2004-10-27 funny indeed

And as for the treatment of female characters in web-comics…
http://www.ctrlaltde...date=2003-01-15

You might or might not like it, depending on your taste. I’ll have a look at sluggy freelance though.

The really ironic thing was that I discovered Yahtzee’s thread on web-comics the very day I started doing my own, but the main character isn’t me, so, meh…
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Posted 12 January 2005 - 06:29 AM

QUOTE (Random George @ Jan 12 2005, 11:03 AM)
http://www.ctrlaltde...date=2004-10-27  funny indeed

And as for the treatment of female characters in web-comics…
http://www.ctrlaltde...date=2003-01-15


Are you trying to prove my point? Because this comic does. Especially the one with the girl.
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Posted 12 January 2005 - 07:02 AM

Yes it was to prove your point, but then again, you can take it however you like.

(Sigh) you know what we should do? For those who wish to participate, we could make the “FullyRambloMatic”web-comics, starring the forums regulars, who find themselves in wacky, far-out scenarios… you can do that… or you can ignore me… because personally, I think I’m suffering sleep lose. wacko.gif
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Posted 12 January 2005 - 07:32 AM

Sleep is for the weak, if you're going to bed earlier than 3am you're weak...

Besides, methinks Yahtzee's exhausted his desire to work with a character using his own name, and Chyld is being banked for my own creations.
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Posted 12 January 2005 - 08:41 AM

Just reading the Sluggy archives now. I got nothing against it, it's pretty good. Although when reading Yahtzee's 'Don'ts', I couldn't help thinking of Bun-Bun and Kiki. And Blasphemy from Exterminatus Now.

Speaking of women's roles in webcomics, I've yet to see a Fujiko Mine/Aeon Flux style character. Y'know, all commando suits and assault rifles. Meh. Refreshing change or over-the-top empowerment?
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Posted 12 January 2005 - 09:59 AM

6.) Use some sprites. rolleyes.gif
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Posted 12 January 2005 - 10:18 AM

*shrug* sluggy was okay.

On another note, Emagine my surprise and shock upon going to register for the forums, and Finding I was allready registered.
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Posted 12 January 2005 - 12:34 PM

Comic Name: Working-Title.

Setting: Future, Space Adventures, Lighthouse.

Overview: Beautiful, deviant male and not-so-pretty, arrogant female live together in a lighthouse in the middle of space. The lighthouse is maintained by homosexual oompa-loompas who live in the basement. Beautiful, deviant male beats not-so-pretty female regularly. Their cat dies in the third strip or so. They hate each other's guts. Beautiful, deviant male is always trying to find a way to get the hell out of dodge but fate always intervenes and so their lives go on, waiting for the next lost ship to come by. Oh, and not-so-pretty, arrogant female is witty and basically a pain in the arse. Yes, I said arse. Much prettier than ass... altho both stink.
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Posted 13 January 2005 - 02:56 AM

www.purplepussy.net
www.scarygoround.com
and the now dead
www.wigu.com

All have pretty cool female characters, in my opinion.

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Speaking of women's roles in webcomics, I've yet to see a Fujiko Mine/Aeon Flux style character. Y'know, all commando suits and assault rifles. Meh. Refreshing change or over-the-top empowerment?

www.alpha-shade.com

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Posted 13 January 2005 - 09:56 AM

QUOTE (Chefelf @ Jan 12 2005, 02:59 PM)
6.)  Use some sprites.  rolleyes.gif


sad.gif But I can't actually draw things!

...oh, is it just the sprites themselves, or the cutting-and-pasting? Because sprite-spritecomics do indeed suck...
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