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Brainy women face handicap in marriage stakes Tuesday, January 11, 2005

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 02:24 PM

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I don't know, Ben, I think ideally, the rewards outweigh the troubles (or at least make them worth it). Of course, a relationship that's just a time suck without giving you anything in return isn't good for you, but not all relationships need to be like that.


That depends on what you'd call a 'reward'. I guess the point is that I don't feel I *need* to feel happy (be married) doing what I'd like to do, which is helping others. Social work is inherently rewarding.

I must be confused, but how does the current discussion relate to the topic? I'm lost ermm.gif

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 02:48 PM

How does it relate? Why, tangentially, of course. We were talking about why brainy women might be shown, statistically, to marry less often than their less-intelligent counterparts, and naturally, as it is a loaded and interesting topic, I think we found that we needed to thresh out our definitions and our terms. Or perhaps we all just like to argue! It's an innate biological fact!

I have many questions for you, One with Strange, for I find your take on marriage and happiness to be a provocative one, and one I would be interested to hear you flesh out. However, I believe it is perhaps best left to another thread -- I don't want to hijack this one with my questions on this related topic! If you care to move the discussion of it to a new thread -- in the Debate club, maybe? I'm not sure where it would most properly go -- then I would be delighted to follow.
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Posted 18 January 2005 - 08:01 PM

It seems to me that this is going nowhere. Both sides are rulilng out the othersides important points.

1) We can't use our personal experience since this is loaded with error and generalizations etc...

2) We can't grow people in test tubes and then place them in closed systems.


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Posted 18 January 2005 - 08:35 PM

QUOTE (Jordan @ Jan 18 2005, 08:01 PM)
It seems to me that this is going nowhere.  Both sides are rulilng out the othersides important points. 

1) We can't use our personal experience since this is loaded with error and generalizations etc...

2) We can't grow people in test tubes and then place them in closed systems.
What can you use?


There's no separating nature and nurture (ie nobody as all one and none of the other-- like no square has length but no width or vice versa). That doesn't mean you can't talk about them.

Some experiments are designed to screen for one or the other, classically twin studies where you have kids separated at birth with the same genes, but different adoptive families. Or, the other way around, adopted kids in the same family but who are unrelated.

There are also other ways to draw conclusions without doing either thing. Systematic experiments; correlational studies; anything where you use a cross section of people. A person's own thought and memory is extremely biased. Almost anything is more reliable than that.

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Posted 19 January 2005 - 02:42 AM

Ya it's fun to talk about. I've said little to nothing, but I enjoy reading the posts in this thread.
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Posted 19 January 2005 - 03:51 PM

I'd hate to be the last one to post in this topic, but...

Jen,

If you have the time, feel free to PM me any questions you may have, and I'll certainly try to the best of my ability to answer them. I've not been here long but I doubt anyone would want to post in a topic about marriage, much less one about my take on it.

Thanks for your interest,

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Posted 19 January 2005 - 04:50 PM

We all know it's you posting the message, your name is in the corner of the post. Why end every post with your name? Is it fun?
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Posted 19 January 2005 - 06:53 PM

Heheh...

I 'sign' both so to give people the option of calling me either Ben or OneWithStrange. Eventually I'll go by the former because it's more casual, but I've yet to shed this awful 'newbie' status. Adding my name to the bottom also displays more of a sense of identity, I think.

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