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Posted 04 January 2005 - 11:59 PM

Steal this Book

Yes folks, in the spirit of this noble man Steal This Book is provided 100% free and unedited at the link above.

This is the enduring gift of the late great Abbot Hoffman. It was at various times a banned book and a best seller as well and you'd be amazed how much stuff in it still works. If you can find a real live copy snatch it up, if not the online version works great. I cannot recomend this book highly enough. It helped me avoid arrest at least a few times and kept me fed on countless occasions. If you're interested in Abbie I'd also reccomend

"Steal this Movie" or any of his other books and films. The pigs have tried to bulldoze his memory but the people can never forget such an enduring hero.

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Posted 08 January 2005 - 11:05 PM

Truly, this book is great.

Don't you think that the Govt. would have enough sense to not ban a book like this? Banning it only reinforces his message.

Also I'm curious as to how he died. Anyone know?
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 06:23 AM

I read the first part of the book, and have to say I hated it. Just a bunch of cheap kids trying to rob from the unlucky shop owner down the street, under some grand dream of 'destroying the system'. They're just as bad as the people they're trying to screw over.
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 07:41 AM

im suprized bush hasnt declared it the new bible, considering he seems to follow everything said in there
he was probably killed by someone trying to steal his job

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Posted 09 January 2005 - 11:45 AM

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Just a bunch of cheap kids trying to rob from the unlucky shop owner down the street, under some grand dream of 'destroying the system'. They're just as bad as the people they're trying to screw over.


I agree that the idea of destroying the system is stupid unless you're serious about it. You would need tools, organization, and cash. Governments have been turned over in the past.

But if I'm hungry and there's no food at home, I'd steal some.
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Posted 09 January 2005 - 11:06 PM

OK. Quick lesson about Abbie Hoffman here.

He was beaten by the pigs (yeah yeah politcally incorrrect. They hit Abbie Hoffman I consider them pigs)
He was forced to go underground for years for his anti war stance
He was imrpisoned and was one of the famous Chicago Seven.
He fathered numerous children throughout the sixties seventies and eighties but was largely unable to be in their lives due to the pursuit of the government.
He was set up on bullshit drug charges and stayed hidden for over ten years to avoid the authorities.
He danced on the grave of the judge who tried the Chicago 7 trials while still hiding from the cops.
He sold numerous books and movies about the struggle and donated much of the money to the Black Panther Party.
When he came out of hiding he immediately began actions against the regime of Ronald RayGun.

Abbie Hoffman was killed when I was a kid. Some claim he comitted suicide. He had a history of bipolar disorder brought about by his time in the underground but many believe he was murdered.

Sime- You're way wrong. Sometimes this is the only way people can get food and he states many times never to steal from your brothers and sisters.

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im suprized bush hasnt declared it the new bible, considering he seems to follow everything said in there
he was probably killed by someone trying to steal his job


What in god's name are you talking about?

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I agree that the idea of destroying the system is stupid unless you're serious about it. You would need tools, organization, and cash. Governments have been turned over in the past.


Good thoughts, good thoughts. Abbie was serious about this. Dead serious. If you keep reading you'll see he lays it all out in this book and what he dosnt provide you can find in Che Guevara's "Guerilla Warfare"

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Posted 10 January 2005 - 04:01 AM

Just began reading the book, am now on Wholesale Markets under How to Eat for Free, and I am finding this a very enjoying read, even though I'll never have to use any of the knowledge seeping into my brainhead.

I just wanted to thank you for sharing the link Hoffman.
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Posted 10 January 2005 - 10:03 AM

I'd like to apologise about before. Well, partially. I don't agree with what I read(I stopped after the hitch hiking bit), and not reading the entire thing I may not be being fair. But I'm sticking to the point that I don't like whats in the book. I'm apologising for the exp​ression of my post. I was in a bad mood at the time, and lashed out more then it deserved. It's probably my own fauld though. From the introduction:
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It implies that the reader already is "ideologically set," in that he understands corporate feudalism as the only robbery worthy of being called "crime," for it is committed against the people as a whole.

In nerd terms, I'm Lawful Good, and hence not ideologically set.
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Posted 10 January 2005 - 01:39 PM

Iceey- no problem, it's the least I can do for the guy to share his knowledge.

Sime- Ah, I see. I tend to lean more to chaotic good. I really don't believe that its right to consider stealing food a crime while stealing millions of dollars in bad business dealings or price gouging or underpaying workers is looked at as less severe.

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Posted 11 January 2005 - 10:06 AM

Well, to point out a single bit that really got me. They were talking about taking advantage of a food stamp program. To 'take advantage' of it implies that you shouldn't be on it, and if you shouldn't be on it you don't need it. Hence it strikes me as taking advantage of peoples good will at the cost to those who may need it.
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Posted 11 January 2005 - 11:02 AM

HofMarN- You really think I know what I'm saying half the time?
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Posted 11 January 2005 - 12:52 PM

Sime- You've never been on foodstamps. I make 5000 bloody dollars a year and the only way I can get foodstamps is by twisting numbers and fucking with the system a bit. So, yes, I take advantage of foodstamps and I bloody well have to. The government dosnt care about the poor, they do whatever they can to keep from giving us benefits and we have to do whatever we can to get those benefits. That's what we pay taxes for isn't it? You might want to try things before you knock them.

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Posted 14 January 2005 - 08:55 AM

Perhaps we're arguing different things here. My understanding is if you're not dependant on your parents, not working, and didn't just quit your job, you are entitled to the dole. Single parents and other special cases get extra bonuses. If said person blows all their money at the casino or something, then they can apply to social security for aid, who will then give them foodstamps which have to be used to feed their family and can't be wasted. Hence foodstamps are a last recourse and, no offense, you shouldn't be eligible for them.

Me, I can't even get legal independance, without either moving interstate or dropping my studies to work full time. As such I can't get squat from the government, so I fully know what you mean when you say the Government will try to save a buck by taking it from those who need it. I study full time, work two casual jobs, and tutor highschool students. Sure, I'm still living at home, but I moving out just isn't finacially possible for me.
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Posted 14 January 2005 - 01:29 PM

Sime- From what I've learned its impossible to get a welfare check from the government no matter how bad off you are. I've never been able to collect unemployment, and get this: Foodstamps stop if you cant find a job within 6 months. What's more is if you cant get over 20 hours a week you're considered unemployed and they wont give you foodstamps. It's a horrid ripoff when you consider how many billions we spend to butcher Iraqis.

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Posted 14 January 2005 - 06:24 PM

Hey, D&D alignment systems! In that system, I would be filed under Chaotic Good, but I feel that "good" and "evil" are too subjective to be used except with very specific guidelines.

I prefer my own alignment scale, which while still not accurate, defines me a little bit better. I'm creative chaotic, the dual axes being creation and destruction, order and chaos. And these tend to loop on the ends too, and neither can be considered good or bad in and of itself. Yeah. Moral autonomy and D&D don't mix for me.

Also, I guess I'll check this out later.
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