[Paladin]

Everybody refered to Darth Vader as 'Lord Vader' and such. It would have been a lot better if 'Darth' had just been a first name and not some title.

[Just your average movie goer]

Agreed. Having every Tom, Dick and Harry being called Darth one-thing-or-another took away Vader's individuality a bit. It also just seemed like a dicky thing to do.

Okay, gentlemen. Let's set our stop watches and see how long it takes before Jariten or that new gusher* comes along and tells us why turning Darth into a title is some really good idea.


* Not This Crude Matter - deserves a mention all on his own. His username comes from something Yoda said in The Empire Strikes Back, that Jedi's are luminary beings, "not this crude matter". This is completely contradicted by that midichlorian shit in the prequels. So why the hell would a gusher use this quote as his username?

[jariten]

My my, you are in a grumpy mood today aren't you? Come on, you can tell me.

[not this crude matter]

Well why do you think its a bad idea. Its not the PT's fault as the name was mentioned in ROTJ. I know this is SW, but "Darth" as a name just sounds stupid to me. I can deal with Anakin, Luke , Obi Wan but Darth as a first name would sound out of place. I dunno maybe its just me. I also like it because when OBi Wan is telling Luke the truth about his father he talks about how Anakin Skywalker was murdered and became known as DArth Vader. I think its cooler that he became this twisted evil machine and earned the title of a sith lord. It would be dumb if this little kid grew up with a totally evil ass name that gave everything away. I just like the idea of someone emerging all evil with a new chaotic name that complely erases his past making him look like a badass.Ok, I might have gotten carried away in that last sentence.

[CowboyCurtis]

Watch PRE-SE videos and you'll see in the credits that it says, "LORD Darth Vader." It also says in the novelisation... LORD Darth Vader, and it had been that way for TWENTY-FRICKIN' YEARS!!!

Revisionism sucks. EU Sucks.

[not this crude matter]

I don't have any pre SE tapes of SW.

[CowboyCurtis]

I'm sorry to hear that you don't have a copy of "cinematic history" rather than a copy of "revised cinema history." Maybe we'll start a fund for you and get you a copy.

[The Scornful Roman]

Not this crude matter, if you have a well-stocked Blockbuster near your home, you may be able to find the OOT on VHS there. My local (well, not entirely local, as it's a 45-minute drive from my house to the store) Blockbuster has 'em. Also, a local library with a good amount of VHS tapes may have them there-- I think that my library has one or two.

When all else fails there are privately owned video rental stores-- often you can get a better rental bargain than a chain store-- Netflix, or a used copy to buy via Amazon.com.

[not this crude matter]

Honestly I spent $35 on the DVD's and I think they are great. Is it really worth it to by the tape versions because they don't look nearly as good,also, are the changes really as drastic as to casue me to go by a whole new trilogy?(end sentence fragment)

[CowboyCurtis]

Are the changes really as necessary as to cause me to go buy a whole new trilogy?

[Despondent]

You have to determine your own path. I only wish that, Jeremy Bullock was still here.

[CowboyCurtis]

LOL!!

My path takes me away from ROTS... that much I know.

[Mnesymone]

The idea of reworking the prequels to make them good is one that occurred to me before - and in another thread I put up one of my ideas - I see I'm not the only one thinking that way and some of the ideas I'm seeing are pretty similar to my own.

Great minds think alike, perhaps.

But the whole thing of the Sith being a race is new to me - them being referred to as extinct is suggestive of a species - but the Jedi are also described as "all but extinct" - I had always conceived of them as a rival order of Force-users, Ninja to the Jedi's samurai - their powers put to personal gain - whether by becoming mercenaries or assasins or by inventing schemes and plans to gather more power for themselves. I had kind of thought the pre-Sith War sith would have palaces, temples and perhaps their own empires and armies.

Another thing on the subject of GL messing up his villains - treating the word Darth like some sith version of Mr. makes no sense - Darth Vader was a cool name, but it was a name - he is on one occassion referred to as Darth with the impression Darth was his first name ["only a master of evil, Darth]. Why Darth Maul - give him his own name, not rest on your laurels.

But finally, on the subject of how the villains were killed off before they could grow - Maul killed, Dooku runs away like a manly man - why not, if he always intended to make Dooku, if he did - have Maul and Dooku appear as master and apprentice with different (better) names and thusly, Dooku doesn't seem quite so "I needed a villain so I added Christopher Lee to my instant villain mix and stirred" - It also eliminates Jango Fett. Anything that cuts down on laurel-resting is good, and it also allows Christopher Lee to reprise his good pal Peter Cushings part of the brains of the baddies - not so much a laurel rest but an homage.

That's all.

[Helena]

But the whole thing of the Sith being a race is new to me - them being referred to as extinct is suggestive of a species - but the Jedi are also described as "all but extinct" - I had always conceived of them as a rival order of Force-users, Ninja to the Jedi's samurai - their powers put to personal gain - whether by becoming mercenaries or assasins or by inventing schemes and plans to gather more power for themselves. I had kind of thought the pre-Sith War sith would have palaces, temples and perhaps their own empires and armies.

Yes, this is the case. The original Sith were a species, but they died out thousands of years ago. By the time of KOTOR (4,000 years before the movies) the people known as 'Sith' are sort of 'anti-Jedi' - Force-users who choose to follow the Dark Side, using their powers for personal gain and to destroy anyone who opposes them. As you suggested, they form an Empire with its own army and battle the Jedi and the Republic for control of the galaxy.

[Supes]

Another thing on the subject of GL messing up his villains - treating the word Darth like some sith version of Mr. makes no sense - Darth Vader was a cool name, but it was a name - he is on one occassion referred to as Darth with the impression Darth was his first name ["only a master of evil, Darth]. Why Darth Maul - give him his own name, not rest on your laurels.

Actually, Darth is used as a name twice in that scene. Once where you ahve quoted and also, "You can't win Darth. If you strike me down..."

As Cowboy mentions it was treated as a name for a good many years and was believed to be so by novelist as well as fans up until the invention of the history of the Sith. Even then, we don't see the introduction of Darth as a title for quite some time. Many of Dark Horse's comics that are sett thousands of years before the OT refer to the Dark Lord of the Sith, but these characters do not take on the Title Darth. The title is actually Dark Lord of the Sith, or Dark Lord so-and-so.