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Bye Bye God! Hello Docile America! Wednesday, December 8, 2004

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 11:20 AM

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God cut from Dark Materials film
 

The director and screenwriter of the film adaptation of Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials is to remove references to God and the church in the movie.

Chris Weitz, director of About a Boy, said the changes were being made after film studio New Line expressed concern.

The books tell of a battle against the church and a fight to overthrow God.

"They have expressed worry about the possibility of perceived anti-religiosity," Weitz told a His Dark Materials fans' website.

Pullman's trilogy has been attacked by some Christian teachers and by the Catholic press as blasphemy.

Weitz, who admitted he would not be many people's first choice to direct the films, said he regarded the film adaptation as "the most important work of my life".

"In part because it is one of the few books to have changed my life," he told bridgetothestars.net.

The award-winning trilogy - Northern Lights, The Subtle Knife and The Amber Spyglass - tell the story of Oxford girl Lyra Belacqua.

She is drawn into an epic struggle against the Church, which has been carrying out experiments on children in an attempt to remove original sin.

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As the books progress the struggle turns into a battle to overthrow the Authority, a figure who is God-like in the books.

Weitz, who directed American Pie and About A Boy, said New Line feared that any anti-religiosity in the film would make the project "unviable financially".

He said: "All my best efforts will be directed towards keeping the film as liberating and iconoclastic an experience as I can.

"But there may be some modification of terms."

'Curtails freedom'

Weitz said he had visited Pullman, who had told him that the Authority could "represent any arbitrary establishment that curtails the freedom of the individual, whether it be religious, political, totalitarian, fundamentalist, communist, what have you".

He added: "I have no desire to change the nature or intentions of the villains of the piece, but they may appear in more subtle guises."

There are a number of Christian websites which attack the trilogy for their depiction of the church and of God, but Pullman has denied his books are anti-religious.

His agent told the Times newspaper that Pullman was happy with the adaptation so far.

"Of course New Line want to make money, but Mr Weitz is a wonderful director and Philip is very supportive.

"You have to recognise that it is a challenge in the climate of Bush's America,"

http://news.bbc.co.u...ilm/4077987.stm


It seems odd to make a movie about a battle against the church and a fight to overthrow God without mentioning the church or God. Perhaps a better decision would simply have been to not make the movie.

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 11:31 AM

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It seems odd to make a movie about a battle against the church and a fight to overthrow God without mentioning the church or God.  Perhaps a better decision would simply have been to not make the movie.


Exactly my point. You may as well remove all references to Jedis from Star Wars, because its a religion, and woe betide a film try and show religion! It might offend people!

Whatever happened to "if you don't like it, don't bloody well watch it"?
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 11:32 AM

Yeah. And it's being adapted by the director of American Pie? Forgive me, but this is a fitting time for a cry of "WTF?!!!!!!111oneoneoneeleventy-one"

I don't even feel like getting into the censorship issues.
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 11:33 AM

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Whatever happened to "if you don't like it, don't bloody well watch it"?


Um... it never existed. That's what happened to it. wink.gif
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 12:00 PM

This...this is just ridiculous. It defeats the entire purpose. I'm just staggered by this one.
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE (Chefelf @ Dec 8 2004, 04:33 PM)
QUOTE (Chyld @ Dec 8 2004, 11:31 AM)
Whatever happened to "if you don't like it, don't bloody well watch it"?


Um... it never existed. That's what happened to it. wink.gif



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Posted 08 December 2004 - 04:53 PM

Why is it that if a film represents someone overthrowing religion people start screaming and crying?

Whereas if there were a film representation of a gentleman killing several teenagers with a machete people find it to be no reason to be alarmed?

I think they're just being rather silly about this. People will go see it if it's a good movie (doubtful given the director). It's not even an anti Christian movie, its just figuratively anti-religious. There are plenty of movies about government tyranny but religious tyranny is unacceptable why?

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 07:13 PM

oh, for fucks sake!!!

religion is a topic worthy of discussing... and therefore of filming.

i'm fucking at my tethers tattered fucking end, and upon closer inspection have realized it's a fuze!!!

to all religiously defensive nut-jobs out there FUCK YOU AND YOUR GOD!!!

is that offensive??? NO!!!!

cause if there is a god, he's not the kind of being, i'm sure, who would want to be affiliated with a buch of supressive, repressive fucknuckles, who destroy art for a living...

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Pullman's trilogy has been attacked by some Christian teachers and by the Catholic press as blasphemy.


well quite frankly the catholic press can suck my balls!!!

i'll find the text spcifically if this turns into an argument...
but didn't the catholic press put out a guide in which they state that the pope has authority to rplace god (for all intents and purposes)...

yeah, their experts on blasphamy, so i suppose they would know it when they see it...

oh and by the way...
THE PASSION has full papal approval... so if you think that film is anti-sematic (which i don't), but you argued it to me any way... you cannot argue with me about this otherwise you will be contracdicting yourself so BACK THE FUCK OFF!!!!!

other takers, i guess, are reluctantly welcome...
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 11:10 PM

So young... so angry... damn that hippity-hop music!

Take a deep breath and count to infinity, dude...

It is really absurd...

Chyld - You haven't been to America, have you? If a kid shoots his schoolmates and also happens to play violent video games, it is the video games that are the cause and they must be banned. It is not his parents for allowing him to play his games (if he was so mentally unstable that the line between fantasy and reality was blurred, that is) or allow him access to a firearm. It is not society for most likely ostracising the kid and whittling down his self esteem for his refusal to assimilate into their cliques until he feels he's some subhuman thing and sees mass murder as his only escape. No, it's Doom and Halflife.

Hell, 14 states passed laws banning same-sex marriages here, mang. We are the few who do disagree. We just have to make sure we're louder than the bleating sheep.
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 08:29 AM

The only thing I ever heard of that's more idiotic than this was when some guy wanted to make a film of Terry Pratchett's Mort (about a boy who becomes Death's apprentice) and remove all references to Death.
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 08:43 AM

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The only thing I ever heard of that's more idiotic than this was when some guy wanted to make a film of Terry Pratchett's Mort (about a boy who becomes Death's apprentice) and remove all references to Death.


That happened? Why on Earth did that happen? I'm glad I didn't know about this in my Terry Pratchett phase. I'd have been quite ticked off.
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 09:52 AM

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Chyld - You haven't been to America, have you? If a kid shoots his schoolmates and also happens to play violent video games, it is the video games that are the cause and they must be banned. It is not his parents for allowing him to play his games (if he was so mentally unstable that the line between fantasy and reality was blurred, that is) or allow him access to a firearm. It is not society for most likely ostracising the kid and whittling down his self esteem for his refusal to assimilate into their cliques until he feels he's some subhuman thing and sees mass murder as his only escape. No, it's Doom and Halflife.


OOOOH, right! I understand now! Damnate me and my silly "common sense"! It seems I'd been thinking utter nonsense for the last... oh, forever. Thanks for clearing that one up! thumbsup.gif
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Posted 09 December 2004 - 05:50 PM

You know I think the only reason they stopped burning people at the stake is because Christians are lazier now than they used to be. I suppose we should be thankful they're all busy watching survivor and listening to Christian heavy metal. Otherwise they'd be gathering lumber...

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 07:43 PM

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OOOOH, right! I understand now! Damnate me and my silly "common sense"! It seems I'd been thinking utter nonsense for the last... oh, forever. Thanks for clearing that one up!


No probalo. That's what I'm here for.

Jm - They stopped burning people at the stake because for some crazy reason it became taboo. They like the passive agressive stuff now, like passing laws based on their religious viewpoints.

Christian metal - Why?! *slams head into a wall* For the love of Eris, why? Were not Country, Gospel, and pop/rock enough genres to utterly slaughter? "RRRRRRRROOOOOOAAAAAAARRRRR!!!!! I JUSTWANNAWANNARUNRUIGHTUPTOYAANDGIVEYA A GREAT BIG HUG! LLLLLOOOOOOOOVVVVVEEEEEE JEEEEEESSSSSUUUUUUUSSSS!" - Imagine Slipknot or some other really heavy group (I'm not really up with the scene) screaming that in the gutteral way they do...

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Posted 09 December 2004 - 09:46 PM

QUOTE (Helena @ Dec 9 2004, 08:29 AM)
The only thing I ever heard of that's more idiotic than this was when some guy wanted to make a film of Terry Pratchett's Mort (about a boy who becomes Death's apprentice) and remove all references to Death.


Really? That's kind of strange.
I remember there's a TV show that started recently about a woman who takes Death's place, and it leaves all the death references in it.

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