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folk who are disappointed with the prequels are we in the minority?

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 05:26 PM

I don't really post on any other star wars fan sites but I usually get the impression most star wars fans don't mind the prequel trilogy. im not a star wars "geek" or anything like that but I have a lot of fond memories of the originals when I was growing up and always watched the films as much as I could. the prequels, while a lot of fun if you forget its star wars or are under the age of 14, I find to be kind of like commercials for star wars. set around action set pieces instead of the other way around and too much like any other shallow summer blockbuster instead of like the originals (well at least empire and SW). from the fact that lucas uses three whole titles to promote the films (with the episode number being most prominant for some reason when it wasn't with the originals) right down to turning memorable characters from the originals like yoda into a gimmicky cgi frog that leaps about on crack when it draws its lightsabre and speaks funny.
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 06:05 PM

You are right, all Prequel haters are in the minority. The cult of George Lucas is strong in the dark side, welcome to hell.
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 07:42 PM

Most people just don't have high expectations for movies like they use it. It's the age of eye candy. I find most people who don't like the prequels grew up on the originals. Those who didn't watch Star Wars and Empire and even Jedi when they were younger can't understand the sub par presentation we see in the latest Star Wars outings
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 10:44 PM

I think a lot of people who like the prequels are in denial. Sure there were a few things I've liked (the threeway lightsaber duel, Ewan McGregor's portrayal of Obi-Wan in part 2, that girl who plays the young version of Aunt Beru, that alien Jedi with the green dreadlocks) but on the whole the few things I've liked aren't enough to redeem films that lack good, solid stories, solid characterizations and pretty much everything that made the old trilogy what it was and make me defend them.

Those who do stubbornly defend the prequels are, as I said above, probably living in a state of denial, blindly clinging to the prequels because they're connected to something they loved in their childhood. Fans of the TV series "Friends" continue to defend it as "one of the best sitcoms of all time" even though it was only funny for the first five seasons, refusing to acknowledge that the last five seasons of its ten year run sucked. Similarly, "The Simpsons" isn't really all that funny anymore, but people refuse to believe that it isn't funny anymore because they remember its glory days so fondly.

I still enjoy watching reruns of the old GI Joe, Transformer, Thundercat and He-Man cartoons, but I can't deny that they're kind of campy.
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 12:26 AM

That's a good point. Many people are attached to Star Wars so much, they just want and will accept anything with the name attached to it. Other people seem to see some brilliance in these movies that just isn't there. I don't know how... some people just see things from a completely different perspective. Some people even find all the CGI in movies today to look convincing. Again, I don't know how that is possible, but there you go.


Are we in the minority in hating the prequels? Well, I don't know. On internet forums, I think we definitely are. But that's because there's a lot of 14 year old brats out there who are posting on things like the Force.Net. Serious reviewers hate the prequels. I've never come across a single good review for any of the prequels from a credible source*. So I think there's plenty of people out there who hate these movies. They're just not discussing it on internet forums.


* Credible sources. Ie. People who have it right about most movies. For instance, if somebody thinks the Titanic is the greatest film ever made, their opinion is worth nothing. If somebody believed Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom was anything more than a goddamn awful sorry excuse of a film, then their opinion is worth even less.
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 03:04 AM

In denial indeed. Most of the time when you hear people who grew up with the OT defending the PT, they make up fantasies and stories of their own to explain Lucas idiotic new films. I've seen it many times, yes on this board too, that gushers are talking about things in the films that simply aren't there. Their own imagination auto-repairs Lucas flawed work. That gives you an idea of how powerful impact the OT once made...
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 04:53 AM

*puts hands in the air*

Well as logic defing arguments, some of those were pretty good. Couldn't I just as easily say "PT bashers dont like the PT are just blinded by their love of the OT" or some other insubstantiated rubbish?

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* Credible sources. Ie. People who have it right about most movies. For instance, if somebody thinks the Titanic is the greatest film ever made, their opinion is worth nothing


so by 'credible source' what you actually meant to say was 'someone who agrees with you'. What kind of a basis for impartial critical anaysis is that?

Anyway, I think I should probably keep my beak out of this one. Just try to imagine that there might be people in the world who appreciate things you dont, who have different tastes to you and oh you know...
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 07:20 AM

I disagree that whether a film is good or bad is a subjective thing - and I think I am not alone on this.

Sorry I offended you. Movie Goer out.
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 08:22 AM

"Indiana Jones & The Temple of Doom" probably was the weakest of the three Indy films in terms of story and acting, but it did have some great stunt work. Storywise, however, it pales in comparison to "Raiders of the Lost Ark" and "Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade".

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 08:23 AM

I see where you're coming from Jariten. The problem with the OT and the PT is that they espouse different core ideas. Some PT people see the OT and say "What the crap is this? Human actors in a sci fi movie? LAME!" and some OT people see the PT and say "What the crap is this? Since when did StarWars involve the guy from Pulp Fiction?"

On to your other comment I think there can be debate about what JYAMG said. As I told him he should have probably used more universally poor films, such as, well, a lot of crap coming out in theaters now. Try replacing "Titanic" with "Gigli" and "Temple of Doom" with "Anacondas curse of the blood ruby" and you'll understand what he meant.

I think a reviewer can enjoy temple of doom, or claim Titanic to be the best movie ever. If they can justify that and have actually paid attention to the competition that's fine. Just as long as they didn't like "Anaconda curse of the blood ruby"

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 08:24 AM

"Indiana Jones & The Temple of Doom" probably had the worst story line of all three Indy films, but it did have some good stunt work. As far as plot goes, however, it pales in comparison to "Raiders" and "The Last Crusade".

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 08:35 AM

I think what Lord Aquaman said about 'Friends' and 'The Simpsons' is a good point. Sometimes when you really get to love a series like that you just can't accept that it's started to go down the drain. I'm beginning to have similar feelings about the latest Terry Pratchett books, which - while still good - are not nearly as funny as the older ones.
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 08:54 AM

I used to really like "That 70s Show" - it almost lost me during the 4th season, but it won me back in the 5th season, but then in the 6th season it started to run out of steam. Season 7 is just plain bad.

Oh and sorry that I posted the "Temple of Doom" remark twice, I was having a little bit of posting mishap. sad.gif
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 12:10 PM

For a full explanation of just how terrible Temple of Doom is, click on the link below.

Re: Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom


It's also a good example of how somebody can love a truly shit film. Read the debate when someone came to its defense and you'll see what I mean.


Certain films can be completely objectively viewed as crap. If people like them, it doesn't make them any less crap. It just means that the said people have bad taste.

And if I didn't believe that a film can be inherently, irrefutably bad then I wouldn't have posted on this forum in the first place.

But anyway. As you were.
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Posted 08 December 2004 - 08:06 PM

QUOTE (Lord Aquaman @ Dec 7 2004, 10:44 PM)
Similarly, "The Simpsons" isn't really all that funny anymore, but people refuse to believe that it isn't funny anymore because they remember its glory days so fondly.


the difference is... that the latest simpsons aren't AS funny as appose to being shit!
i mean they still get quality gags in... they've rust run out of steam... but they're rolling on the tracks even though they're loosing momentum...

but they are still watchable...

the major diffenerence is that all post 80s SW material on film sucks ass...
it's not just inferior quality... it's BAD!!!

the people who love them grew up in a world of realaity TV and sitcoms with titles that describe the sit. (ie. Friends, Two Guys and a girl), and worst of all non-violent cartoons...

it's not about clinging... it's about sucking...
not all people who like the prequels suck though...

i mena we all have our guilty pleasures... action films and what nots... that are silly but we love them anyway... and i could see how people who have't been obsessed with starwars for 27 years could go without being offended by these films...

so i don't hate them...

but any one over 25 should know better!!!
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