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Abuse photos will become propaganda tools: U.S. Monday, December 6, 2004

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Posted 06 December 2004 - 08:47 AM

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Abuse photos will become propaganda tools: U.S.
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A U.S. military official says new pictures showing abuse of Iraqi prisoners will be undoubtedly be used to tarnish the entire U.S. military.

Gen. Mark Kimmitt, who is now based at U.S. Central Command's Qatar headquarters after working in Iraq, described the photos Saturday to the al-Jazeera satellite news station as the work of an isolated few.

While in Iraq, Kimmitt was a spokesman for the U.S. military during the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal that erupted in the spring.

Months of investigation have found very few U.S. troops to be involved in prisoner abuse, he said.

Kimmitt's apprehension about the photos being "tools" for use in the battle for public opinion, however, could be well-founded.

"The two scandals confirm the image about the Americans known in the Middle East: That the Americans are not a charity or a humanitarian organization that is leading an experiment of democracy," Sateh Noureddine, managing editor of the Lebanese leftist newspaper As-Safir, told The Associated Press.

"Rather, (the U.S. government) is leading a retaliatory operation following the Sept. 11 attacks."

Some militant Islamist websites have also posted the latest photos.

The new photos showing possible abuse of Iraqi prisoners predate the huge Abu Ghraib scandal.

They involve military personnel who appear to be members of the elite Navy SEALs commando team.

In the photos, SEALs are shown sitting on hooded and handcuffed prisoners. One prisoner has an automatic weapon pointed at his head and a thumb on his throat.

Date stamps on some photos indicate they were taken in May 2003, or roughly a month after the fall of Baghdad after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

The abuses at Abu Ghraib, itself used as a torture centre by the regime of former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, were far worse and occurred months later.

An Associated Press reporter discovered the photos in an album posted on an Internet photo-sharing site called smugmug.com.

A woman who said her husband brought them back from Iraq following his tour of duty there was responsible for posting them.

They have since been taken off-line, with the woman saying she was upset a reporter was able to find them. They were mixed in with family photos.

A search using the Google search engine turned them up.

"I think it's fair to assume that it would be very hard for most consumers to know all the ways the search engines can discover Web pages," said Smugmug spokesman Chris MacAskill told AP.

The U.S. Navy was furnished with copies of the photos and said it is investigating them.

"These photographs raise a number of important questions regarding the treatment of prisoners of war (POWs) and detainees," Navy Cmdr. Jeff Bender, a spokesman for the Naval Special Warfare Command in Coronado, told AP in a written response to questions. "I can assure you that the matter will be thoroughly investigated."

Some experts contacted by AP said the conduct of the SEALs was more stupid and juvenile than criminal, but could violate Navy regulations that forbid the photographing of prisoners for reasons other than identification or intelligence-gathering.

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How dare they use this as propaganda against the U.S.! Don't they know that those photographs of what actually happened don't represent the U.S. Military? Even though it shows members of the military actually doing those things?

Man. Using that as propaganda to tarnish the U.S. Military's reputation... that's just low.
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Posted 06 December 2004 - 09:37 AM

Exactly. The military is doing a good enough job of tarnishing its reptutation by invading countries they don't like. They don't need some photos coming in and trying to steal the job.
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Posted 06 December 2004 - 10:38 AM

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An Associated Press reporter discovered the photos in an album posted on an Internet photo-sharing site called smugmug.com.

A woman who said her husband brought them back from Iraq following his tour of duty there was responsible for posting them.

They have since been taken off-line, with the woman saying she was upset a reporter was able to find them. They were mixed in with family photos.


Is this for real?

"Oh and there's my husband torturing Iraqi prisoners... "
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Posted 06 December 2004 - 11:22 AM

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Is this for real?

"Oh and there's my husband torturing Iraqi prisoners... "


Also...

"Damn those nosy reporters! I'm upset that they were able to find something that I posted on the internet! Don't they know that those pictures I posted on an easily accessible web page were private?"
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Posted 06 December 2004 - 11:51 AM

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Ha.
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Posted 06 December 2004 - 06:46 PM

Can't.... comment... Hypocracy... overwhelming... brain.... shutting... down...

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Posted 06 December 2004 - 07:53 PM

Hey, they're just using hoffmarn's logic. When you want to spin, spin with the most outlandish reversal possible.

Hoffie should apply for a job with the Bush administration, he could help turn this whole war thing around. With Hoffie's help, he could have George Bush be considered for sainthood by the Catholic Church and the entire left wing cheering him on. Hoffie's talents should be passed on to the Department of Defense, what do you say Hoffie? I'll send them your email address tonight, you'll have a new job within weeks! You see these little internet messages can really pay off Hoffie!
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Posted 06 December 2004 - 08:10 PM

I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL PART OF MOVIE WHERE HANNIBAL AND HOFMARN HAVE MAKEOUT SESSION. ALL THIS TENSION CAN ONLY LEAD TO MAKEOUT SESSION. CROWD WILL CHEER.
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 02:21 AM

Hell who needs NEW photos that make Americans look like fascists?




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Posted 07 December 2004 - 09:13 AM

Is it just me, or in that second picture, is he pointing a fucking Grenade Launcher at the crowd?
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 09:27 AM

Good heavens that was actually topical, good job Hannibal.

Sime- Nope, that's a tear gas launcher. They hurt like hell and would probably stand a good chance of killing those guys at that distance. Tear gas cannisters pop out with a delay and they're hot as fuck. Those fellows aren't at all prepared for it you can see none of them have masks or bandanas. The optimal way to do gassings is to have a moist bandana over your face and thick cloth in your hand such as a pot holder. You can usually throw it back at the pigs before it detonates. At the action at the G8 in Alberta about four years back I remember some great moments when the protesters hurled a cannister of tear gas just the right way and it got sucked into the ventilation system. Good times, good times.

Edit: I just read the google adds. They advertise that you can pay to be trained by real US Navy Seals. Why would you want to be trained by a group that requires four heavily armed people to take down one trussed up man with a bag over his head?

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 01:28 PM

In all fairness, Hoffmarn, it takes a lot more effort to bring someone down without hurting him than it does to kill him. SEALs could have put a bullet in that guy from just under a mile, on the first shot. Would that impress you more than four guys dragging him to the ground in an embarrassing scuffle?

And yeah; I don't want to be a SEAL either. We Canadians club them and make jackets from their pelts.
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 02:40 PM

Civilian- What I was referencing was that these cowards seem to enjoy picking on unarmed people who cant fight back in any way shape or form, as these pictures show. My question was why it takes special training to beat the fuck out of a guy with a bag over his head in a four on one fight.

Really neither of those things impress me. Shooting someone from a mile away who is armed only with a pistol is a cowardly act. I find it repugnant that American soldiers operate in such security though what they're doing is wrong. I think one of these days I'm going to have to write a letter about this.

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 02:42 PM

Hannibal, what is that last image? Waco?
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 02:44 PM

Naw, that's Janet Reno's idea of a barbecue.

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