[littlejerryseinfeld]

Got this here - it's an interview with someone who supposedly saw a roughcut of episode III.

Comments are welcome.

Are there any scenes so far which are disappointing or not up to snuff?

"The BARG is a bit odd. "

When you say, "You have no idea how BAD Sidious gets" do you mean that in terms of his actions....and if so, does that come across in the dialogue too?

"BOTH."

Speaking of the dialogue, how is it this time around?

"MUCH BETTER. There's a few dumb lines between Anakin and Padme, but other than that ... YEAH."

Your reaction has been this strong WITHOUT an accompanying score. How much more drama will the music add to these scenes? "

"A+ I hope."

I've seen that now you rank it just below Empire...which is encouring, given you've not seen a final product yet. That being said, if the final product is that much better, might it surpass ESB in your mind? And also, if you think not, why not? What does ESB have right now that is lacking in Sith....(other than nearly 25 years of reverence behind it..LOL)?

"I hope so, but that would be very hard. ESB is an icon."

Will the individual planets be pretty memorable, visually? Star Wars landscapes have always had very distinctive characteristics.

"Yeah, Utapau is memorable ... the landing platform is in the middle of a sinkhole."

Are the performances in Ep. III amped up? In other words, from what you've seen, are we getting good stuff from the actors....(say by comparison to the previous two)?

"Yes 100% improved."

What specific elements might make this PG-13? Anakin's body? The "scare" factor if it's more intense? Name some broad-but-specific reasons....

"EVERYTHING. Especially Sidious"

It is safe to say tarkin is not in this movie?

"Tarkin is in. There is a cool unpublished tidbit about him though... "

Is Tarkin's role in the film in any sort of capacity or just a cameo?

"At best a cameo. JG"

Does Yoda really fart in the movie?

"In the rough cut, he did."

Can you give me a little hint or clue about Grievous?
Thanks.

"He hunches more than you would think. He is very different from the Clone Wars cartoon. Titi Jukassa is a young Jedi apprentice seen in the raid on the Temple."

Hey Josh, In The final duel between Anakin/Vader and Obi-Wan, are the two blue lightsabers the only ones used throughout the whole thing, or is a third (possibly red) saber thrown into the mix? Twelve minutes seems like an awful long time to go with just two lightsabers.

"Hmmm ... let me just tell you this. Most of the marketing from Frito Lay will be red vs blue. J"

Does Anakin/Vader use a Red Lightsaber at anytime during RotS?

"Yes."

When asked about Grievous' role and his sinister smart-ass attitude

"He only speaks a little, and honestly in the big story arc of the movie he plays a footnote. Also, he is one of the last pieces of the SW3 puzzle to be completed, so most people will actually "see him" late in the game."

A hint/tidbit about Palpy's revelation about being Sidious/a Sith Lord? Like, is his "transformation" literal? A literal physical transition the audience sees on screen? Maybe during the Mace duel?

"You have no idea about that you are about to see. The simple answer is YES. Heck, yes ... "

" ...when you SEE this, you'll understand my energy in loving this scene. Almost shockingly cool ..."

Is it safe to say tarkin is not in this movie?

"Tarkin is in. There is a cool unpublished tidbit about him though"

During the Duel on Mustafar does the fight go through the beginning stages of the structures of the Death Star?

"I'd prefer to not answer that."

Is the whole Sifo-Dyas/erasing of the Jedi archive file that important or that surprising? Any hints please?

"Nah, it isn't important. Sidious should have erased the survelliance tapes!"

I was wondering if you could give me a rough estimate as to how long the Mace vs Sidious fight is going to be? How much screen time do you think this fight will get? Will it be a very brief confrontation or will it span several minutes?

"It isn't much of a fight, but those moments are central to the whole rest of the film. It will satisfy."


Do I bring my children see EPISODE III?

"There is 2 versions (or more) of EPISODE III filmed, one PG version."

Any hint on the number of ships in the duel?

"Lots and lots. You can even see them in the background of Anakin - Dooku duel."


Is Anakin Darth Vader before the suit?

"Yes."

Will Darth Sidious use a lightsaber?

"Heck Yeah."

Can you tell me anything at all about what causes Sidious's look to change?

"He gets p**sed at Mace and the confrontation squad."

Will Qui-Gon appear in any form in RotS?

"Nope, and thanks for the kind words."

Will we feel remorse for Anakin when he meets his "demise" or is he just the bad guy at this point we want to see taken out? In other words, is there ever a spark of uncertainty in Anakin during the duel, that perhaps he made a big mistake? A moment where he might BEGIN see the light?

"You DEFINITELY see this in the Mace/Sidious deal. AWESOME. By the lava, he's pretty much gone."

Do Obi-Wan and Yoda still believe that Anakin is redeemable by the very end of ROTS? That he can be brought back to the light side through either of his children. Do they still believe in the Prophecy by movie's end?

"Yoda and Obi-Wan are DESTROYED at the end of the prequels. If the twins can't save them, no one can. He is truly the last hope. By the end, I would say they have all but given up."

In the big "reveal" scene, is it Sidious that takes off his hood to reveal he is really Palpatine, or is it Palpatine who somehow reveals he is sidious? Also when he fights, does he fight in his Chancellor clothes or his sith robes as Sidious?

"1/1. And Sidious=Palpatine will be cemented once and for all ... by Yoda of all people."

So, are you saying that he reveals who he really is during the yoda duel? or are you saying that Yoda figures it out earlier in the film? I thought Pablo said in one of his hyperspace chats that we would see Sidious without his hood on. Is there still a scene were Sidious reveals who he really is to Mace or whoever?

"The answer is yes."

What exactly is Sidious hiding under that hood? Is it something out of the ordinary or just a bald Palpatine?

"Palpatine is shockingly evil looking. We've seen him old and evil, but never this way."

Are there any sequences (you mentioned Yoda vs. Sidious) that we'll want to refrain from knowing about before we see ROTS?

"Yoda vs Sidious is this. There's several more, actually. I was BLOWN AWAY when I saw the parts of the film that these rumors have been circulating for a while. They got it SO right."

Obi-Wan gets knocked out on the TF ship and later luckily beats Grievous with a blaster?

"Yup."

If Anakin is wiping the floor with everybody and then suddenly Obi-Wan is lasting against him, how will that be believable?

"It is. Obi-Wan is passionate about stopping Anakin once he realizes he can't be turned. Perhaps Anakin is weak or distracted, too."

Is Obi-Wan going to be seen as powerful enough to last around 12 minutes against Anakin?

"Actually THE DUEL is a misleading term. Maybe it should be THE DUELS."

What did you mean by Duels?

"The basic journey of the movie, once the dark side is unveiled, is to send Yoda to find Sidious and Obi-Wan to find Vader"

Although obviously you haven't seen the absolutely finished 100% ROTS, with what you've seen and heard right now, where would you rank ROTS in the Saga?

"#2 behind Empire, and it is darker and moodier than ESB."

How cool is Grievous going to be? Can LFL actually pull off a CG villain? Is the Obi-Wan & Grievous duel going to kick butt?

"It will. This is being finished REALLY LATE in the vfx cycle, so we'll see."

Will Owen tell Obi-Wan "He should of stayed out of it and not gotten involved"? If not then how does Obi-Wan know Owen's opinion on Anakin's involvement in the Clone Wars?

"More that he was impatient, cocky, etc. than anything else."

In terms of screen time, what are the approximate lengths of the ROTS duels?

"More than any other SW movie to date for sure."

How does the Kashyyyk battle(s) in ROTS stack up against the Geonosis sequence in AOTC?

"Dunno, that's one sequence I didn't get to see."

Pablo recently stated that Palpatine ‘didn’t get what he expected out of Anakin?’ Can you shed some light on this comment?

"No clue. He sure seems to get it to me."

Will we see Yoda use his lightsaber any time beside the fight with Sidious?

"Heck, yes. Yoda even cuts someone's head off!"

Will we see any unique outer space scenery other than the usual SW stuff?

"Well, there's a upper atmosphere opening battle, which includes the upper layer of the sky and the beginning of space. It is sweet, in the far distance below you can see the cityscapes and everything."

Is R2 with Anakin the whole film? If not when do they part ways?

"R2 is with Anakin during the crash landing."

[HK 47]

According to insiders at Force.net Yoda lets one rip sometime in Ep III. An insider has seen the rough cut and trailer and reported the following:

- Does Yoda really fart in the movie?
- In the rough cut, he did.

Perhaps just after striking the Kung-Fu pose eh?

[Vwing]

That report seems suspicious at best to me. I mean, I could've answered those questions if I wanted to, having not seen the movie. And even if he did, I don't know if we can go by this guy. He doesn't really sound too intelligent. But we'll see.

I'm actually opposite of Chef on this one. Since I don't hate the prequels with all my heart, I would like to see a good third one. It wouldn't rectify the others, and it would bring up the question, "If this was good, what the hell was lucas doing with the first two?" but it would certainly be a nice way to end the series. Plus, I'd like my 8 bucks to be well spent (well 8.75 now, unless I see it in the city, in which case its 10.50. But who's counitng?)

[Garth Vader]

AOTC and TPM sucked. Will this film be any different?

[Despondent]

Well, one thing doesn't change. The pre-Lucas film optimism peeks out and says
"this time it will be different." So here we go again, I suppose.


And the apologies begin. So if it IS ALL action and no dialogue (Character Development,) that makes up for all the emptiness we've endured with the other proven method, right?

[Just your average movie goer]

That is nothing, I think.... a whole lot of poorly put together quotes, repititious in places, and often the guy doesn't even answer the questions. I'd say it's part of Lucas' marketing campaign -> starting the fans spreading rumours, etc.

It's vague at best and I really can't see any way that Episode III could be good, especially as they have cast the wrong actor as Anakin. There's not much you can do with that.

And Paladin's already said it - Episodes I and II sucked. Why should this be any different?

[ernesttomlinson]

I doubt the veracity of this as well. Ah, well.

But it does get me to thinking. Has any Star Wars movie had less buzz about it? Maybe I haven't been hanging around in the right places but I've heard zip. It's like everyone knows in advance that the movie's going to stink--or, at best, that it's better to be pleasantly than unpleasantly surprised, so let's not get any new hopes up, eh?

[littlejerryseinfeld]

trust me - i'm not optomistic. i was hoping for some good bashing off of this... clearly some of you have moved from hatred to apathy... not sure if this is a good thing.

moviegoer: i want you to rip it, line-by-line.

[Despondent]

It will spoil it for sure if there's any truth to it.

ROTS plotline

I'd rather see the trailer. Sorry I read the last little bit. I really just don't care anymore.

[Mike Mac from NYU]

It's vague at best and I really can't see any way that Episode III could be good, especially as they have cast the wrong actor as Anakin. There's not much you can do with that.

And Paladin's already said it - Episodes I and II sucked. Why should this be any different?

The failure of the first two movies make it pretty pointless whether this movie is any good or not.

It would be like reading a book where the 1st 8 chapters are bad, but the last 3 chapters were really good.

Whether the last chapters are good, the book is still bad, overall!!!

[Paladin]

Mike, I believe that Episode III will be a failure since George Lucas's track record of butchering up every last bit of continuity in Star War and introducting a shit-load of new characters and scenes JUST to make toys, video games and whatnot. He won't stop until he's destroyed everything.

There is a story to be told, and George wasted a LOT of time with the last two movies on meaningless charades, now he's faced with the impossible task of having to tie the whole thing up in less than 2 hours. That is Mission Impossible for you.

Besides, given the sheer amount of characters he's untroducing, and the new scenes which he will he'll make into little playthings, there's NO way he can do it right. For all we know, the whole thing might just as well have been a series of delibrate butchering of the Star Wars movies.

Even though I will renounce watching the movies after seeing them one last time, I might still consider buying some video games if they're good. I played Star Wars battlegrounds at a supermarket demo for about ten seconds and I decided that I hated it. Star Wars galaxies might be good if it has some merits to it, but I won't be counting on it until I read some reviews.

And here's another fact for you: I remember once I wrote a story about a trio of Gladiators trying to get free, the idea was brilliant, and the initial setup was good... but I put too much time into the gladiatorial battles and schemes of some senator (which I should have more subtle about) and too little into the relationship between on of my characters and another significant character. Also I put little drama into the later parts... meaning that there was no humanly possible way I could pull off the dramatic escape and emotion that I planned for it from the beginning. I got discourage by this and cancelled the whole story. I tried to restart recently, but I just wasn't in the mood for it.

This is another reason why I believe that George can't pull it off... but he call pull(tear) it apart.

[Just your average movie goer]

Paladin, why do you insist on this idea of watching the prequels one last time?

The first time is enough. Don't torture yourself, mate.



I just had a look at Despondent's link and I haven't got far yet. But this...

Anakin and Obi-Wan are leading the Republic forces in the battle. During the fighting, Buzzer droids take off the head of Obi-Wan's R4 astromech droid on his star fighter and the Buzzers nearly get R2-D2 also, but Anakin saves them.

In a space battle, the enemy uses little droids that decapitate the astromech droids in people's fighters? For the love of God, why?

Why not .... shoot people's fighters?

Yet more unnecessary wankery from Lucas... and (where IS that crying icon?) more droids.



EDIT - And I've just read that General Grievous has bodyguards. What kind of powerful warrior uses BODYGUARDS?

I think I should stop reading it. This is just too painful.


ADDITIONAL EDIT -

Obi-Wan manages to escape the icy-cold hand of death by killing Grievous with a laser blaster. It turns out that General Grievous is like the Trade Federation Control Ship from The Phantom Menace because Grievous controls all the Separatist battle droids in the galaxy.  With Grievous dead, all the battle droids are off line.

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Maybe Lucas has hired a five year old to write the script this time. It's hard to believe an adult could conceive such stupid crap.

This post has been edited by Just your average movie goer: 29 October 2004 - 10:49 AM

[Just your average movie goer]

Okay, I finished reading. According to that information, Episode III will be crap. If that information can be confirmed, then Chefelf can probably start writing his list 467 Reasons to Hate Episode III right now.

[Mike Mac from NYU]

Okay, I finished reading. According to that information, Episode III will be crap. If that information can be confirmed, then Chefelf can probably start writing his list 467 Reasons to Hate Episode III right now.

467!!!!

Wow, that's really bad!!!! :yuck:

Then again, throughout these forums, I think we covered about 1,000 reasons to hate either Episode I & II

..and between civilian and you, I think you came up with 1,000,000 reasons to hate Return of the Jedi

I'm figuring Elf, comes up with about 84 reasons to hate Episode III

Anyone want to go lower or higher!!!!

[Paladin]

Paladin, why do you insist on this idea of watching the prequels one last time?

The first time is enough. Don't torture yourself, mate.

I'm not going to watch the prequels alone, I'm going to watch the entire SAGA (1 to 6) in go. Then I'm going to shelve them and not watch them again. You're right about one thing, though, watching them the first time IS enough, since I've never watched Epsiode II more than once after seeing it on my video.