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#181 User is offline   J m HofMarN Icon

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 01:52 AM

Civilian- I am not quite aware as to what your disfunction is, and I really don't care. You apparently take my acceptance of someone's differing views and a joke I made that you took the wrong way and create a grudge from them. Why you felt like digging up some debate over a misinterpreted statement I do not know, and I really don't care how viewed it anymore.

And by the way, Howl was written in early fifty five, the Mccarthy hearings occured in 54. People can be of different ages and still be the same generation. For instance, Clinton was a part of the nineties just as much as Kurt Cobain. I don't care when he was born, you're completely over anazlyzing. Is there a reason you think you might be a Mccarthyist or that people might suggest it? Are you going to invite me over for wine and then wall me up in your basement to avenge this horrible wrong I've done you?

As for my number of posts they are RELEVANT. I suppose you'll be after Barend next...

I really don't appreciate you acting like I'm doing something wrong by not attacking Thrawn. If you want to be prejudiced just because people are prejudiced than that's a fine example of prejudice.

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Jordan is right.  PM Deleted by me!  -Civ!


So, Civilian, I truly beg your forgiveness for not giving a damn if Thrawn is burning crossed on Hannibal's lawn. I'll be perfectly happy sitting in my lounge chair and observing, being a fuckhead and all.

This post has been edited by civilian_number_two: 01 April 2005 - 08:37 PM

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 02:46 AM

Thrawn,

Do you really think your little teenage cry of "FUCK YOU!!!!!" defiance impresses anyone on this board?

Yeah, I really "forced" you to type that infantile outburst. I knew the moment I discovered you were a 16 year loser with a Hitler fixation, that it was only a short matter of time before we got to the "FUCK YOU!!!! stage. I thought it might take until the weekend, but here we are.

Its no wonder you have such contempt for freedom of speech. You clearly are at a disadvantage when employing it.
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 03:05 AM

Im not trying to impress anyone, its just a message from me to you, yeah you were trying to force it out of me, you know why coz you got a big attitude problem thats why :angry:
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 03:05 AM

And yes, Thrawn, members of NAMBLA are less disgusting than you and your Svengali Stormfront friends.

NAMBLA believes it's all right to molest children.

Based on their behavior when they had total power to do whatever they wanted, Nazis believe its perfectly fine to kill children.

Both, of course, are repulsive beliefs. But yours are worse.

And just as I have no intention in chatting with a child molester about the merits of "Peter Pan," so do I also have a complete lack of interest in any thingthing you might have to say about "Star Wars."
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 03:09 AM

Well then ignore what I say, Im not asking you to care, and I don't give a shit, just get of my back about it!!!!!!
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 03:25 AM

Don't post private PM's!

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Oh SMEG. What the smeggity smegs has smeggins done? He smeggin killed me. - Lister of Smeg, space bum
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 03:49 AM

If Hannibal had been describing his love life to me "my girlfriend's leaving me because I keep accusing her of being a consumerist massage parlor" then I would have kept it quiet. However that PM looks pretty much like many of Hannibal's other posts, so it's nothing we havnt all seen before.

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 08:35 PM

QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Apr 1 2005, 01:52 AM)
People can be of different ages and still be the same generation.


I misunderstood, and I apologize. Apparently I, my mother and my grandmother are all of the same generation, and I'm sure that's exactly how Alan Ginsberg saw it as well.

I stand corrected.

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If you don't mind thrawn burning crosses on Hanibal's lawn, it stands to reason you don't mind if he burns crosses in front of his local synagogue and marches in white power rallies.

Whee... a sacrifice of all of your ideals, all over an argument about STAR WARS.
"I had a lot of different ideas. At one point, Luke, Leia and Ben were all going to be little people, and we did screen tests to see if we could do that." -George Lucas, in STAR WARS: the Annotated Screenplays (p197).
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 09:14 PM

QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Apr 1 2005, 08:35 PM)
Whee...  a sacrifice of all of your ideals, all over an argument about STAR WARS.


but STAR WARS does make you to sacrifice all of your ideals thumbsup.gif
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 09:38 PM

Sure does. Damn that Prequel trilogy KICKS ASS!






or just damn that PT. wink.gif
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 11:49 PM

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If you don't mind thrawn burning crosses on Hanibal's lawn, it stands to reason you don't mind if he burns crosses in front of his local synagogue and marches in white power rallies.


Have you ever had a fight with a cop or a neo nazi? I doubt it. When Thrawn is marching against my contingent of the black bloc in DC I'll be happy to have it out with him as I have once before(not with Thrawn, but those like him). When thrawn is counter protesting in favor of the Iraq war you can bet I'll yell some shit at him. When his friends throw rocks I'll toss some back.

You want to criticize me for not attacking him? You're bothering with the wrong person. You want him gone so bad you can ban him yourself, but so far all I've seen him to is excersise his right to free speech in a far less obnoxious, abusive, and annoying way than Hannibal, and he hasn't done it nearly as much.

I think that other people are making a perfectly sound argument against fascism, so why should I bother? My concern, if you havnt noticed, is that EVERYONE GETTING INTO FIGHTS AND TALKING ABOUT NAZIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HANNIBAL HAS WANTED FROM DAY 1 and you're giving it to him.

Thrawn is not a troll. He is not here to disrupt our boards. He's here to discuss StarWars. He's not trying to take over and turn the boards into Wiermarck World. Hannibal on the other hand lives only to cause terror and strife among the peoples of the world and feed off the misery of our souls.

Since when is not mindlessly bitching at someone on a forum a sacrifice of ideals? Might I remind you that this is a STARWARS FRICKIN FORUM and not an anti-nazi forum? I already stated that I do not agree with Thrawn but, unlike some people, I'm not going to drag him into a debate in an inappropriate place, nor will I be goaded into it by people who have never done a damned thing for the cause in their life just because they go about insulting me and insinuating that I'm a coward.

And now, for the last bloody time, here is a quote from the princeton dictionary.

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generation

n 1: all the people living at the same time or of approximately the same age


Now are you quite happy that I've had to once again defend a meaningless joke I made at your expense about two or three months ago or are you out buying mortar and bricks and amontillado?

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 01:50 PM

"hope I die before I get old...
(like those in) My generation"

Just kidding, J m. It is nice to see such passion, (especially in a Star Wars thread,) in regard to Star Wars.
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Posted 02 April 2005 - 02:30 PM

QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Apr 1 2005, 11:49 PM)
IEVERYONE GETTING INTO FIGHTS AND TALKING ABOUT NAZIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HANNIBAL HAS WANTED FROM DAY 1 and you're giving it to him.



I am glad somebody spelled it out at last .
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Posted 02 April 2005 - 02:55 PM

QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Apr 1 2005, 11:49 PM)
And now, for the last bloody time, here is a quote from the princeton dictionary.
Now are you quite happy that I've had to once again defend a meaningless joke I made at your expense about two or three months ago or are you out buying mortar and bricks and amontillado?

It was not a meaningless joke, it was a stupid attack on my credibility, based on my diasagreement with you over some poem that I read and loved and apparently didn't understand as well as you did. That is my "dysfunction" by the way: every now and then I disagree with you, and you go off the rails about it and make wild attacks that I have to spend days defending myself against.

For the record, I didn't attack you for NOT attacking thrawn; I questined why you went out of your way to DEFEND him. These are different concepts.

Back to "Howl," I like your "definition" by the way: You went to dictionary.com and selected the poorest-worded example from the lot, so as to prop up your mean-spirited "joke." Anyone looking to see whether I'm wrong can take a look here:

http://dictionary.re...ch?q=generation

The consensus there disagrees with the definition you picked, and even your selection offers a choice and is therefore not exact.

When Ginsberg used the word, he was NOT talking about McCarthy, and he was NOT talking about his dad. More to the point, NOBODY uses "generation" to include himself with EVERYBODY alive at the time; he uses it to refer to himself and his contemporaries, people of the same biological age. You know this; it's amazing that you have never admitted your mistake and apologized.

Anyway, since the purpose of this thread was to corral the posts of a guy who had at that time 50 posts a day, and since he's hardly even on this board anymore, and since the bulk of the "volume" he allegedly generates is other folks complaining about how much he's ruined this place, I think it's safe to say this thread is dead. It's no longer even about communists or George Lucas, for instance, as the title would imply. If you feel like continuing this spirited series of one-sided attacks, JM, you'll need to resurrect another months-old topic.

And of course if you'd like to resurrect "Meesa Howl" to further make your points about Ginsberg, I'll meet you there and I will not call you a McCarthyist, and I will not suggest you have a dysfunction or are stupid or illiterate, and while I will disagree with you, I will continue not to question your integrity.
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