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Posted 30 March 2005 - 09:06 PM

It doesn't matter anymore, he's non-white so its understandable and obvious why he thinks like that, except in his case he's got some kind of obsession with hating fascists and Nazis. dry.gif
Yeah, Hannibal if you want to argue with fascists, Nazis, White-Nationalists, then go to Storm-Front, allot of Jews, Negros, even anti hate campaign workers come on and have their say, but don't expect a warm welcome.

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 12:18 AM

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so this is the new 'crazy nazi conspiracy' thread...


Nazi conspiracy thread: for all your nazi conspiracy needs. I brought this thread up in hopes that it could contain all the madness and I'm glad for that.

Anyhow as to what has sadly become the subject here I have to say that NONE of us have ever been aware of what race, creed or religion hannibal wants to be. He insults communists, gays, staights, nazis, democrats and just about anyone else equally, though he only posts conspiracy theories about nazis. Hannibal seems to offend everyone equally, so at least he's not bigotted against any particular group, so much as he is against FRICKIN EVERYONE.

Thrawn- If you read all of Hannibal's past posts in this topic and try to make sense of them I'll give you an iron cross, really I will. I dare ya. Don't worry, it's not mind warping Jewish propaganda... It's some kind of mindwarping propaganda though...

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 12:56 AM

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Anyhow as to what has sadly become the subject here I have to say that NONE of us have ever been aware of what race, creed or religion hannibal wants to be.


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It doesn't matter anymore, he's non-white


JM, you accused me of supprting McCArthy just because I made fun of the opening lines of "Howl" (Thrawn: JM likes gay Jews), and you're not giving this guy the gears for following demagogues on a Nazi website and for making direct ethnic attacks? I know; "apart from that, he's so polite!" whatever the hell that means. But the fact is, you and thrawn make up most of the volume on this topic; Hannibal, apart from his debut, has poted on these boards as much as the average guy here (and a fair bit less than you lately); and all of the disagreeable things thrawn says here, you attribute to Hannibal. "He drew him out," you say. How long is that going to last? Are you and thrawn going to go to rallies together, hold hands, share french fries, just so long as you have the common enemy Hannibal to hate?

You guys are nuts.

Thawn: You'll grow out of it. The guys you admire are idiots, and they have no writing skills. When you have read more (please do), you'll recognize that.

Hannibal: in case you read this, understand I still think you need to find a new schtick.
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 01:35 AM

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JM, you accused me of supprting McCArthy


Nonsense, I made an absurd suggestion that had a root in logic. It was designed to be an ironic statement. The fifties were, sadly enough, a time when people like McCarthy were accepted. So it might well be surprising that out of that decade there came Allen Ginsburg, Neal Cassady etc. I was... blargh nevermind I've explained this before. Would it make you feel any better if I had said "Then who do you think was the best mind of his generation, Woodrow Wilson?" Really any name would work there, so long as it was absurd.

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How long is that going to last?
Basically until he starts insulting people who aren't Hannibal. And yeah, I post whenever I can on the SW forums. Problem? My posts are relevant and I think that people enjoy reading them. I think that's what this forum is for, isn't it? Posting things relevant to Star Wars?

I ressurected this thread so that all fascist discussion could be placed here. That way it dosnt invade the rest of the forum. I am not the only one who is able to see the benefits of this tactic.

And by the way, if you disagree with Thrawn's beliefs you could find a better way to express it than saying that everyone who holds those beliefs is stupid. If you actually look I've made my disagreement clear but I havnt attempted to be offensive in doing so.

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 02:35 AM

Holy crap guys, I just started from the beginning of this post, and skimmed through. I shit myself laughing. JM and Civillians comments towards Hannibal made my eyes water from cracking up.

The first page, it's like 7 back to back posts of endless ranting! ROFL!

It's getting harder to hate Hannibal when he pulls shit like that, it's too funny!

If nothing else, this thread made me laugh, and I'm sure a couple of you guys did too.
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 03:48 AM

Well, after reading a bit (I couldn't take reading anymore) of his "theories" I have concluded that Hannibal is a moron thats just making it up as he is going on, all he does is take what another moron writes and makes it into an issue that makes on sense, probably just to piss someone off or get attention.

I think in reality he lacks any knowledge of this subject and it would be a waste of time discussing it with him seriously in detail. He is quite the oddball and like I said a pest alien.gif

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 04:27 AM

Jordan- You'd never seen this thread? I never read the whole thing but I did skim through it and catch some of the random pictures. If you want to have a good laugh check out my Starwars Prequel rewrites in the screening room. I based them off of this thread using quotes from people including you.

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 04:30 AM

Thrawn- Is that so? Or is that just what you'd like us to think!? How long have you been working for George Lucas? What was the promised price? When all the men are dead you will take your share of the ethnical turpitude? You're an allie of the dalai lama-george lucas-heinrich himmler conspiracy so you're not to be trusted.
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 04:46 AM

laugh.gif tongue.gif You got me!!!!

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 04:53 AM

By the way, here's a fun quote for those of you defending Hannibal, it's his response to something VWing said on pg2 of this thread:

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You are ignorant...

I don't believe I ever insulted or used profanity against anywhere here, and its funny that YOU want to make sure that it stays civil...

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 05:08 AM

QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Mar 31 2005, 04:30 AM)
How long have you been working for George Lucas? What was the promised price? When all the men are dead you will take your share of the ethnical turpitude? You're an allie of the dalai lama-george lucas-heinrich himmler conspiracy so you're not to be trusted.
Teh truth is out there! alien.gif


Oh, you are just war-mongering JM. You have no power here, JM of the World Anarchy Conspiracy! Denying is your policy!!! *rolling with laughter*
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 06:59 AM

Thrawn has been FAR from polite.

He parachutes into the forum, brings up his Nazi agenda crap in a context totally unrelated to the discussion. Then drops a whole bunch of racist shit about what sort of behavior is typical of the Jew and how he can spot them by their characteristics. Implicitly he admits he's too fucking dumb to debate his own case by insisting that arguers to his position go have it out with the losers and goons at a Nazi hang-out site. And then he has the audacity to go speculating about the racial background of another contributer at this site.

I don't think the people who manage this site would put up with it if a Nabokov discussion was interrupted by some guy who took it upon himself to put up a huge rant advocating child sex. And then followed it up with a NAMBLA link. And then starting speculating which members of this forum might actually have kids.

And let me clear. Yes, I AM saying that Nazis and NAMBLA are morally equivalent.

And if I have to apologize for that statement, I'll grit my teeth and say I'm sorry to the advocates of child molestation.
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 09:12 AM

Xombie youre beginning to piss me off worse than Hannibal, I am able to defend my beliefs and I think I already have, I don't want to further argue or "debate" as you put it about this and I don't think I should, nothing you or anyone is going to say will change what I think or believe in, neither do I want to force my belifs on others by writing pages and pages of Nazi material, or quote pages from Mein Kampf, Ill keep that to myself I came here for Star Wars, see my name it sais THRAWN, not "Racial-Socialist" or "Nordic Power" or some other nazi name, I just said what I think and if you have a problem with that then FUCK YOU!!!!!. And what the fuck is this bullshit comparing Nazism to what is it? "NAMBLA" and child sex?, you sick minded fool. yell.gif yell.gif

And I don't think constantly going at me is going to do anything, I think I have a right to speculate about people if I have to. And no I am not dumb, Stop hanging on every word I say, God!!!!! man stop making me repeat myself!!!!!!!!
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 10:33 AM

Ohh I see now, I guess its ok when a jerk like Hannibal starts annoying and insulting everyone (from what Ive heard) with his pages and pages of pointless rants, but when a right-winger like me who has actually got something new to say and by writing a couple of posts on it, he should shut the fuck up and every word that comes out of his mouth gets turned into an insult or is not "politically correct", even if the swearings toned down (I have really made an effort unlike some people namley you and Hannibal, but now am forced). Sheeshhh!! I tell ya, freedom of speech indeed dry.gif

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 03:22 PM

QUOTE (J m HofMarN @ Mar 31 2005, 01:35 AM)
Nonsense, I made an absurd suggestion that had a root in logic. It was designed to be an ironic statement. The fifties were, sadly enough, a time when people like McCarthy were accepted. So it might well be surprising that out of that decade there came Allen Ginsburg, Neal Cassady etc. I was... blargh nevermind I've explained this before. Would it make you feel any better if I had said "Then who do you think was the best mind of his generation, Woodrow Wilson?" Really any name would work there, so long as it was absurd.


Woodrow Wilson was born in 1856. The opening bars of "Howl" say something about "The best minds of my generation ... "

Your "ironic" conclusion had no grounding in any kind of logic, and your followup is worse. McCarthy was born in the first decade of the last century, and Wilson was older. A contemporary of Ginsburg's was Martin Lurther King, Jr. That would have been a better followup, and it would not have been absurd. In fact, just about ANY "absurd" retort would have betrayed your bias, that I must be wrong because you like Beat poets and therefore I am bad. A "Good" example would have been Fidel Castro, a contemporary of Ginsberg's and therefore of his generation.

Your "ironic" retort is akin to "You don't think the Beats were the best minds of the fifties? Then who was? Albert Einstein? (born around the time of Woodrow Wilson, but certainly active in the fifties!)

I've also explained myself quite well on this one, and I still say you called me a McCarthyist for suggesting that the best minds of Ginsberg's generation did not spring from the English department of Columbia University. It's the only reasonable conclusion, and every effort you made to refute it only cemented it more and more (see comments about filmmakers and musicians in original thread, this is all old news). You can go until you're blue in the face on this one; all you're proving is that you don't know what defines a "generation," and you may be admitting that you didn't understand "Howl," which of course I like a lot.

Anyway, for any interested, here was my original reply to your "irony:"

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Joe McCarthy was born 20 years before the members of the Beat generation, so your use of the name in that retort can ONLY be seen as an attack on me. Sorry, Hoffmarn, but a spade is a spade. I make a crack about beat poets, and I am a Nazi. Fucking sad.

Not to mention that the sort of replacement offered "You don't believe A, therefore you must believe B" is one of the simplest argumentative fallacies (the "false dichotomy"), and also the easiest to refute.

To wit:

In my personal opinion, the "best minds of the beat generation" (arbitrarily defined by me as those born 1917-1928) include but are not limited to: Martin Luther King Jr, John Kennedy, Thomas Kuhn, Henry Kissinger, Betty Friedan, Andrei Sakharov, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, James Lawson, Christiaan Barnard, both Watson AND Crick, Richard Feynman, Desmond Morris, Michel Foucault, Paul Kurtz, Noam Chomsky and Nelson Mandela.

Along with various other physicists, geneticists, theoretical mathematicians, neurobiologists, geologists, politicians, philosophers and chemists of unsung status.

And of course I'd be cheating if I also said J D Salinger, Isaac Asimov, Kubrick, Bergman, Fellini, and Orson Welles.

PS: Cassady? He never wrote a single book in his life!


A later followup read:

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Don't get me entirely wrong: If I were to make a list of the most important and influential people born in the early 19th century, Whitman and Lincoln would both be on it. If I made a list of the most important and influential people born right after WWI, well, you saw most of it, but I'd add Alan Ginsbergh to it, for "Howl" alone. But I'd also have added all those other people, along with Ray Bradbury, Isaac Asimov, and Kingsley Amis. To leave fewer stones unturned, I'd have added maybe Yitzak Rabin, Alan Greenspan, Fidel Castro, Yasser Arafat, Shah Muhammed Pahlavi, Anwar Sadat, and Pierre Trudeau.

I'm not saying these people are all equals to one another, but more than many their contributions infuenced the shape of the world. Several of these folks were no good with words, some of them are arrogant thugs. But the point of the exercise, for me, was not to say "here are some people I liked from this period of history." Or worse, "these are people I thnk I would have liked had I met them in the day." Because, hell, if that's what we're doing, I'll throw in Gene Roddenberry and the entire cast of the original STAR TREK.


Ah hell, if you have the time, read the original thread. We had a hell of an argument, seemingly all of which JM has now forgotten:

Meesa Howl ...

Anyway, back on topic: You're still about fifteen words to Hannibal's one on how he's dominating this forum with mean-spirited attacks and political rants. Tell me again why you're better than the rest of us, and why sometimes Nazid are ok so long as they hate people you hate.

Edit: replaced "pots" with "poets"

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