[Helena]

Myself, I have mixed feelings. It's my least favourite of the OT, but I certainly don't feel as strongly about it as certain other people here

[Chefelf]

I agree, feelings are mixed. I feel it contains both some of the more powerful scenes and some of the dumbest moments as well. Ultimately I don't think it ruins things the way the prequels do, though it could have stood to have been better.

Interesting note from "Empire of Dreams", the PBS documentary that is included on the SE DVDs: Lucas's initial choice of directors was Spielberg but he couldn't use Spielberg because of his (Lucas's, that is) dropping out of the Director's Guild. This is what left him with the realitvely inexperienced Marquand.

[Just your average movie goer]

I went with bad. I'm going to say something quite harsh about the movie now.

On its own merits, obviously it is a far superior film to the prequels - it is not in the same league of shittiness.

However...

That said, I feel that the damage it did to Star Wars was worse because it is the final chapter of the story.

We don't need the prequels to appreciate the story. At the end of the day, they're just something extra for the fans... and we can shut them out and ignore them (although it's fun to pick on them).

However, Return of the Jedi gives us a really lame, cheesy ending to what should have been the most spectactular film trilogy of all time. This is nigh unforgiveable... in my humble opinion of course.

[Paladin]

I'd place ROTJ on the same level as Quest for Glory 5... both were finale's, but not the best of finale's. I believe that we shouldn't be too hard on the ROTJ. It isn't what the movie was that made it bad, it was what the movie COULD have been that made it bad. I know that having the old Death Star and Ewoks did it harm, but you must remember that it was still far better than the prequels and it did have the potential of being a great movie -- just like Quest for Glory 5 had the potential of being a great game. (Although as a stand alone, it was actually quite fine.)

I know you probably don't know what I'm talking about, but I decided to give in my two cents anyway.

[Vwing]

I wouldn't say this is the ultimate question. Hell, it isn't even the penultimate question. It's an interesting side question. Perhaps it's an appetizer to whet your appetite for the penultimate question.

All this meaning it really doesn't matter whether or not you like ROTJ. I've come to realize that it's just a plus for me. Hell, it's a plus for Jariten that he likes the prequels. That's a bunch of 2 hour blocks of my life that I've enjoyed the hell out of, just as Jariten has a bunch of 4 hour blocks of his life he's enjoyed the hell out of. Same with me with Matrix Revolutions. Everyone hated it, I loved it, so who wins? The people who paid 8 dollars to sit through something they hated, or me? Obviously I win.

That said, I do think that overall ROTJ is a good movie, a very good movie, a great movie (at least since the last time I've watched it). If you don't, and it hurts your enjoyment of the trilogy as a whole, then, in the Emperor's words, so be it. I love it, and I love that I love it. Sue me.

[Despondent]

I chose option 3.

It IS a little of both. Poking fun at the bad parts makes me feel good.

[Just your average movie goer]

I'd just like to say to Vwing that you're right, mate (not about it being a good movie though!)...

you're right in that you've won here.

And I'm happy for you. You've got a conclusion to the saga that you're happy with.
I don't... however, when I was young enough to get irritated by muppets, ewoks and excessive slapstick comedy, I was happy with it too.

And even though I do think it sucks now, we still got a great lightsabre fight out of it as well as a brilliantly choreographed space battle... so it wasn't all bad.

However I chose "bad" because what I listed above, while very good, only made up about a third of the movie - if that.

[Helena]

And us wishy-washy fence-sitters seem to be easily winning out. Funny, I thought there'd be considerably more people voting for 'bad'...

[Just your average movie goer]

Me too.

[Helena]

Maybe Civ and Xombie haven't seen it yet.

[Just your average movie goer]

Here's hoping.

[civilian_number_two]

Bad.

[Just your average movie goer]

Thanks mate. I knew I could count on you.

[Jordan]

I said Bad.

In the past 2 years I've watched a lot of movies. And now that I work at a Video Store, I've seen even more (shit load more).

I've come to the conclusion that the best movies are the ones that have less CG, muppets, and musical score.

That is everything that SW is about.

I like ANH because - It's grimy and low budget. Solo made me laugh when he was talking on the intercom, pretending to be a StormTrooper.

The Story was boring and the action scenes, barring the last DS attack, were VERY BORING.


I like ESB because - The opening scene was action packed, the AT-AT's still rock my world. I liked the story. All the action scenes felt more intense.

ESB is the most solid of the 3. The only part I did not like was Yoda on daggobah. He had nothing interesting to say and slowed down the movie.


I like ROTJ because - It had a strong start. Jabba's palace was fun for me to watch for the first time. The final light sabre battle was good.

Much like ANH, ROTJ was boring. The ewoks were lame. The DS was lame, for the second time. And I don't even remember what happens exactly in between the Jabba's death and the introduction of the Ewoks.

This post has been edited by Jordan: 21 October 2004 - 07:34 PM

[Jordan]

A question for civilian.

You once said that the Vader of SW could never turn into the Vader of ROTJ. And then you said the Anakin of the OT in no way resembles any Vader from the OT.

You mentioned that a calculating sociapath who kills his own men does not become redeemed in the fashion of ROTJ. I think... I can't recall and I forgot what thread it was.

What did you mean by the Vaders contradict each other? And why can't a kind kid like jake lloyd turn evil?

I think you said "highly improbable" or something like that. SUre anyone can turn evil.

I thought it was interesting what you said, but never fully understood it.