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Why legalize assault weapons?
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 10:55 PM
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Posted 18 June 2008 - 11:12 PM
Deuc, Obesity and Fear of Minorities are not national characteristics of the United States. Also, death tolls in US cities are not comparable to those in war zones. You must be citing the same media that you use to determine that assault rifles are needed to defend houses from being "attacked" by criminals. These things aren't happening, so I have no idea which media you are using.
Your wolf thing, and I can't believe that you are trying to defend it, is asinine. No, that's the wrong word. It's idiotic. We went over this at length; the fact that you have ZERO evidence of a thing doesn't mean that you automatically MUST entertain its possibility. You would be of no use as a crime scene investigator.
So, again, I don't believe in Dragons or the Cottingly faeries either. You entertain their possibility. I don't believe in the danger of assault-rifle-wielding home invaders, and you entertain their possibility, all because there is zero evidence that they cannot be.
You COMPLETELY misunderstand the use of the Dodge City reference. Simply put, it is this: Gun control cleaned up Dodge City. End of story. There is another thing they could have done, they could have allowed unrestricted gun use, and they could have put more lawmen on the streets, at great social expense. They chose to go with the route they did. It happened to work, and it was good for business. The other way may have worked as well, but it would have cost more. Of course, there are other things at play these days, such as communication and response times, so a town where every man woman and child was walking around heavily armed might not actually become a murder-happy hell on Earth. Certainly the police and the army would be an effective deterrent to crime, if not the citizens themselves. But I don't want to live in a community where every man woman and child is walking about heavily armed.
And yes, insisting that gun control is a question of civil liberties opens the question of civil liberties. Why can we have asault rifles but I can't manufacture crystal meth? Why can't I own an MX missile? How about a collection of pipe bombs? Anthrax? IT IS NOT SIMPLY A MATTER OF CIVIL LIBERTIES. We are designing a society, not a meeting ground for independent and autonomous individuals. There will and naturally should be restrictions to personal liberties.
There's something else you've been doing wrong, by the way. You suggest that the more people are armend, the more and more terribly the criminals will be armed. You say, if it were well-known that folks had nothing, then criminals would have pistols. Were it well known that everyone had pistols, then criminals would have submachine guns or shotguns. If everyone had submachine guns or shotguns, then criminals would have assault rifles. Finally, you suggest that if everyone had assault rifles, that criminals would be subdued (they would think twice). THIS DOES NOT FOLLOW. Your argument leads to the necessary conclusion that since crimnals in your universe must by nature violently invade homes at any cost, that if everyone had assault rifles, then the criminals would use ARs and superior numbers, or they would use something more fearsome when attackign a house, such as a tank or missile launchers. Given your assumptins, then we must outlaw all guns. In that case, criminals would only attack houses with pistols. I'd much rather that than nonstop close-quarter firefights all over town. I have to get up early for work.
And again, home invasions just aren't being committed with assault rifles. Your scenarios of CQB are ridiculous. If you're going to be ridiculous, I am required by contract to mention the Tarrasque. Sometimes a good horse laugh is worth a thousand syllogisms.
Your wolf thing, and I can't believe that you are trying to defend it, is asinine. No, that's the wrong word. It's idiotic. We went over this at length; the fact that you have ZERO evidence of a thing doesn't mean that you automatically MUST entertain its possibility. You would be of no use as a crime scene investigator.
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DAVID CARUSO: There is blood here, and a dead body. The knife on the bed is wet with blood, and there are fingerprints all over it, and also all over the door.
DEUCAON: We should consider that maybe aliens did it, and that they used technology to make it look like a knife was used. As there is no evidence that this did not happen, we must entertain its possibility.
DAVID CARUSO: You're fired.
DEUCAON: We should consider that maybe aliens did it, and that they used technology to make it look like a knife was used. As there is no evidence that this did not happen, we must entertain its possibility.
DAVID CARUSO: You're fired.
So, again, I don't believe in Dragons or the Cottingly faeries either. You entertain their possibility. I don't believe in the danger of assault-rifle-wielding home invaders, and you entertain their possibility, all because there is zero evidence that they cannot be.
You COMPLETELY misunderstand the use of the Dodge City reference. Simply put, it is this: Gun control cleaned up Dodge City. End of story. There is another thing they could have done, they could have allowed unrestricted gun use, and they could have put more lawmen on the streets, at great social expense. They chose to go with the route they did. It happened to work, and it was good for business. The other way may have worked as well, but it would have cost more. Of course, there are other things at play these days, such as communication and response times, so a town where every man woman and child was walking around heavily armed might not actually become a murder-happy hell on Earth. Certainly the police and the army would be an effective deterrent to crime, if not the citizens themselves. But I don't want to live in a community where every man woman and child is walking about heavily armed.
And yes, insisting that gun control is a question of civil liberties opens the question of civil liberties. Why can we have asault rifles but I can't manufacture crystal meth? Why can't I own an MX missile? How about a collection of pipe bombs? Anthrax? IT IS NOT SIMPLY A MATTER OF CIVIL LIBERTIES. We are designing a society, not a meeting ground for independent and autonomous individuals. There will and naturally should be restrictions to personal liberties.
There's something else you've been doing wrong, by the way. You suggest that the more people are armend, the more and more terribly the criminals will be armed. You say, if it were well-known that folks had nothing, then criminals would have pistols. Were it well known that everyone had pistols, then criminals would have submachine guns or shotguns. If everyone had submachine guns or shotguns, then criminals would have assault rifles. Finally, you suggest that if everyone had assault rifles, that criminals would be subdued (they would think twice). THIS DOES NOT FOLLOW. Your argument leads to the necessary conclusion that since crimnals in your universe must by nature violently invade homes at any cost, that if everyone had assault rifles, then the criminals would use ARs and superior numbers, or they would use something more fearsome when attackign a house, such as a tank or missile launchers. Given your assumptins, then we must outlaw all guns. In that case, criminals would only attack houses with pistols. I'd much rather that than nonstop close-quarter firefights all over town. I have to get up early for work.
And again, home invasions just aren't being committed with assault rifles. Your scenarios of CQB are ridiculous. If you're going to be ridiculous, I am required by contract to mention the Tarrasque. Sometimes a good horse laugh is worth a thousand syllogisms.
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Posted 21 June 2008 - 01:26 AM
QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Jun 19 2008, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Deuc, Obesity and Fear of Minorities are not national characteristics of the United States. Also, death tolls in US cities are not comparable to those in war zones. You must be citing the same media that you use to determine that assault rifles are needed to defend houses from being "attacked" by criminals. These things aren't happening, so I have no idea which media you are using.
Your wolf thing, and I can't believe that you are trying to defend it, is asinine. No, that's the wrong word. It's idiotic. We went over this at length; the fact that you have ZERO evidence of a thing doesn't mean that you automatically MUST entertain its possibility. You would be of no use as a crime scene investigator.
So, again, I don't believe in Dragons or the Cottingly faeries either. You entertain their possibility. I don't believe in the danger of assault-rifle-wielding home invaders, and you entertain their possibility, all because there is zero evidence that they cannot be.
You COMPLETELY misunderstand the use of the Dodge City reference. Simply put, it is this: Gun control cleaned up Dodge City. End of story. There is another thing they could have done, they could have allowed unrestricted gun use, and they could have put more lawmen on the streets, at great social expense. They chose to go with the route they did. It happened to work, and it was good for business. The other way may have worked as well, but it would have cost more. Of course, there are other things at play these days, such as communication and response times, so a town where every man woman and child was walking around heavily armed might not actually become a murder-happy hell on Earth. Certainly the police and the army would be an effective deterrent to crime, if not the citizens themselves. But I don't want to live in a community where every man woman and child is walking about heavily armed.
And yes, insisting that gun control is a question of civil liberties opens the question of civil liberties. Why can we have asault rifles but I can't manufacture crystal meth? Why can't I own an MX missile? How about a collection of pipe bombs? Anthrax? IT IS NOT SIMPLY A MATTER OF CIVIL LIBERTIES. We are designing a society, not a meeting ground for independent and autonomous individuals. There will and naturally should be restrictions to personal liberties.
There's something else you've been doing wrong, by the way. You suggest that the more people are armend, the more and more terribly the criminals will be armed. You say, if it were well-known that folks had nothing, then criminals would have pistols. Were it well known that everyone had pistols, then criminals would have submachine guns or shotguns. If everyone had submachine guns or shotguns, then criminals would have assault rifles. Finally, you suggest that if everyone had assault rifles, that criminals would be subdued (they would think twice). THIS DOES NOT FOLLOW. Your argument leads to the necessary conclusion that since crimnals in your universe must by nature violently invade homes at any cost, that if everyone had assault rifles, then the criminals would use ARs and superior numbers, or they would use something more fearsome when attackign a house, such as a tank or missile launchers. Given your assumptins, then we must outlaw all guns. In that case, criminals would only attack houses with pistols. I'd much rather that than nonstop close-quarter firefights all over town. I have to get up early for work.
And again, home invasions just aren't being committed with assault rifles. Your scenarios of CQB are ridiculous. If you're going to be ridiculous, I am required by contract to mention the Tarrasque. Sometimes a good horse laugh is worth a thousand syllogisms.
Your wolf thing, and I can't believe that you are trying to defend it, is asinine. No, that's the wrong word. It's idiotic. We went over this at length; the fact that you have ZERO evidence of a thing doesn't mean that you automatically MUST entertain its possibility. You would be of no use as a crime scene investigator.
So, again, I don't believe in Dragons or the Cottingly faeries either. You entertain their possibility. I don't believe in the danger of assault-rifle-wielding home invaders, and you entertain their possibility, all because there is zero evidence that they cannot be.
You COMPLETELY misunderstand the use of the Dodge City reference. Simply put, it is this: Gun control cleaned up Dodge City. End of story. There is another thing they could have done, they could have allowed unrestricted gun use, and they could have put more lawmen on the streets, at great social expense. They chose to go with the route they did. It happened to work, and it was good for business. The other way may have worked as well, but it would have cost more. Of course, there are other things at play these days, such as communication and response times, so a town where every man woman and child was walking around heavily armed might not actually become a murder-happy hell on Earth. Certainly the police and the army would be an effective deterrent to crime, if not the citizens themselves. But I don't want to live in a community where every man woman and child is walking about heavily armed.
And yes, insisting that gun control is a question of civil liberties opens the question of civil liberties. Why can we have asault rifles but I can't manufacture crystal meth? Why can't I own an MX missile? How about a collection of pipe bombs? Anthrax? IT IS NOT SIMPLY A MATTER OF CIVIL LIBERTIES. We are designing a society, not a meeting ground for independent and autonomous individuals. There will and naturally should be restrictions to personal liberties.
There's something else you've been doing wrong, by the way. You suggest that the more people are armend, the more and more terribly the criminals will be armed. You say, if it were well-known that folks had nothing, then criminals would have pistols. Were it well known that everyone had pistols, then criminals would have submachine guns or shotguns. If everyone had submachine guns or shotguns, then criminals would have assault rifles. Finally, you suggest that if everyone had assault rifles, that criminals would be subdued (they would think twice). THIS DOES NOT FOLLOW. Your argument leads to the necessary conclusion that since crimnals in your universe must by nature violently invade homes at any cost, that if everyone had assault rifles, then the criminals would use ARs and superior numbers, or they would use something more fearsome when attackign a house, such as a tank or missile launchers. Given your assumptins, then we must outlaw all guns. In that case, criminals would only attack houses with pistols. I'd much rather that than nonstop close-quarter firefights all over town. I have to get up early for work.
And again, home invasions just aren't being committed with assault rifles. Your scenarios of CQB are ridiculous. If you're going to be ridiculous, I am required by contract to mention the Tarrasque. Sometimes a good horse laugh is worth a thousand syllogisms.
I see what you mean. I concede the argument to you.
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Posted 21 June 2008 - 02:06 AM
oh zing, he used your wall of text in a quote right below your original post and only made a breif sarcastic statement in response so he like totally told you whats up11111@@!!!!
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Deucon is like a debating god.
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Posted 21 June 2008 - 02:49 AM
I dont think it was sarcastic, he just wanted to make sure Civ knew he was being addressed and not anyone else who'd been arguing.
Why this couldnt have been done simply by directing the post to Civ is a mystery for the philosophers.
Why this couldnt have been done simply by directing the post to Civ is a mystery for the philosophers.
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Posted 21 June 2008 - 07:14 AM
QUOTE (civilian_number_two @ Jun 19 2008, 05:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you're going to be ridiculous, I am required by contract to mention the Tarrasque. Sometimes a good horse laugh is worth a thousand syllogisms.
Apologies if I'm being stupid here but what the hell is a Tarrasque? All I came up with when I tried to find out was a monster in D&D.
QUOTE (arien @ Jun 29 2008, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So this baby, while still inside its mother, murdered his twin brother and STOLE HIS PENIS.
That is one badass baby.
That is one badass baby.
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Posted 21 June 2008 - 09:09 AM
QUOTE (Casual @ Jun 21 2008, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Apologies if I'm being stupid here but what the hell is a Tarrasque? All I came up with when I tried to find out was a monster in D&D.
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"I felt insulted until I realized that the people trying to mock me were the same intellectual titans who claimed that people would be thrown out of skyscrapers and feudalism would be re-institutionalized if service cartels don't keep getting political favors and regulations are cut down to only a few thousand pages worth, that being able to take a walk in the park is worth driving your nation's economy into the ground, that sexual orientation is a choice that can be changed at a whim, that problems caused by having institutions can be solved by introducing more institutions or strengthening the existing ones that are causing the problems, and many more profound pearls of wisdom. I no longer feel insulted because I now feel grateful for being alive and witnessing such deep conclusions from my fellows."
-Jimmy McTavern, 1938.
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Posted 21 June 2008 - 10:04 AM
QUOTE (Deucaon @ Jun 21 2008, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Oh I'm sorry Deucaon. Really from the bottom of my heart I am. What was I thinking asking a genuine question and expecting a mature answer? I suppose I should know about every meme and internet phrase off the bat because god knows I'm supposed to spend 25 hours a day sitting at this computer. Once again I'm sorry if I offended your delicate nerd sensibilities with my ignorance. In the future I shall do my best to remember the internet is SERIOUS BUSINESS.
This post has been edited by Casual: 21 June 2008 - 10:06 AM
QUOTE (arien @ Jun 29 2008, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So this baby, while still inside its mother, murdered his twin brother and STOLE HIS PENIS.
That is one badass baby.
That is one badass baby.
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Posted 21 June 2008 - 12:08 PM
The tarrasque is exactly what you saw in your search. It's regarded as being arguably the hardest monster in D&D as well as one of the rarest.
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Posted 21 June 2008 - 01:02 PM
Yeah, the Tarrasque is supposed to be an answer to the idea that characters eventually get too powerful for any monster. While some games have built-in limits to how powerful a human being can be, that game is pure fantasy and basically says that the more experiences you have, the closer you will come to being a superhero. So some guy invented the Tarrasque, which is supposed to be unkillable. Until this guy came along ...
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Posted 21 June 2008 - 03:31 PM
Giant, constantly hungry, turtle-dragony thing. It's based off of a mythological creature that was a vicious beast until St. Martha tamed it. Then, like with all mythical beasts tamed by maidens, when she brought it into town, the villagers killed it and it was so tame it refused to fight back.
It's not a meme, Deucaon just felt the need to brag about how skilled he is at the Internets with his ASCII facepalm. Also, kindly refrain from any more of that nonsense, especially when completely unwarranted. Quoting those things just makes everything worse.
I'm glad this debate is over, too. It was really giving me a headache.
It's not a meme, Deucaon just felt the need to brag about how skilled he is at the Internets with his ASCII facepalm. Also, kindly refrain from any more of that nonsense, especially when completely unwarranted. Quoting those things just makes everything worse.
I'm glad this debate is over, too. It was really giving me a headache.
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Posted 23 June 2008 - 06:00 PM
Great, so we're all in agreement. Now lets crack the hardend nut shells of the other biggies--- Religon, Gay Marriage, and Iraq.
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Posted 24 June 2008 - 01:00 AM
Good idea: I will start.
All gays wanting religious marriages should be sent to Iraq.
All gays wanting religious marriages should be sent to Iraq.
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Posted 12 July 2008 - 02:04 AM
Iraqis who are married to their religion confront their gay family members, today on Geraldo.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30043893/
Extra, extra, man defends house from home invaders using assault rifle in close quarters battle! Deuacon's theories affirmed, extra extra!
I have to admit though, this guy's logic is priceless:
"Obama wants to take away my guns? I'll show him that I'm a responsible assault rifle owner, watch me kill these police officers!"
Extra, extra, man defends house from home invaders using assault rifle in close quarters battle! Deuacon's theories affirmed, extra extra!
I have to admit though, this guy's logic is priceless:
"Obama wants to take away my guns? I'll show him that I'm a responsible assault rifle owner, watch me kill these police officers!"
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