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Posted 22 September 2004 - 07:00 PM

Why is Lucas doing all these terrible things to Star Wars now? What is wrong with him?

I've put up several theories as to what it may be. Personally I think he's an idiot who just got very lucky with the original movies because of great people who helped him. What about you guys?
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 07:10 PM

I say he's a clone. In fact, I'm gonna go one step further and say that the "Lucas" we see now is actually a robot, and there are millions of them based in Skywalker Ranch, underground in a secret storage compartment. Notice how Lucas's appearance hasn't changed for the last 10 years or so. He's always wearing that same shirt, he always sounds the same, he always says the same things over and over, and his exp​ression almost never changes. When one robot malfunctions, another is brought in to take its place. The only questions that remain are: where is the real Lucas, and who programmed the robots to systematically destroy Star Wars, with the Special Editions and Prequels? We must find out! We must get the real Lucas back! The Lucas who wrote lines like "Flyin through hyperspace ain't like dustin' crops boy!" or "This is such a drag!", err, actually just the first one. Damn robots, corrupting my Star Wars memories. We will destroy and conquer. We will be victorious!
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 07:51 PM

maybe it was star trek fans....

sick of the superirity of SW... decided to destroy it so that we would have no other resolve but to start watching star trek!!!

hmmmmm....
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 09:34 PM

Clearly George has followed Michael Jackson, Howard Hughes, Randolph Hearst, Elvis etc and gone insane, but the real question is WHEN exactly? Before the ewoks obviously, and before Temple of Doom, but after Raiders I suppose, but even that means he has been living in his fortress of solitude for at least 22 years. But when was that stupid wookie christmas special? That must have been in 78 or so. Which means he was already cracked before Empire came out. And I know we are supposed to like Empire for some reason, but it was a 2 hour wank session as well. All that ridiculous sub plot set up, Boba, carbonite, romantic interludes, an ethnic minority from earth, and Luke not quite learning anything from Yoga the frog, and all so that the rebels could go from being disorganized on Ice Station Zebra to being disorganized in space. No battles won, nobody dead, no plans made, just a big nothing, with a bigger nothing to follow 3 years later. The dude made one movie and a half. It's time to move on.
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Posted 22 September 2004 - 10:58 PM

JYAMG, you forgot his neck!

http://www.lanceande...paul/neck.shtml
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Posted 23 September 2004 - 12:25 AM

Why is he doing it? Of course, because he is corrupted with power. Power corrupts, and ultimate power corrupts ultimately. You do not really have to look far for examples. I would say only a small percentage of people do not become puffed up and arrogant given even a tiny bit of power. Happens to best people (Peter Jackson and his changes in TTT and ROTK). Happens to politicians, entertainers, CEOs and civil servants in your local councils. Hell, it even happens to teachers.

Basically if you are in such a state you don't even think that you have the right to f.. other people's feeling. In such states, you don't even perceive other people as people but, as Jariten nicely put in in another thread, as TOOLS for various purposes (usually for plumping your bank account).

I can't belive Jariten who seems nice enough chap to me extenuates such corrupt practises.
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Posted 23 September 2004 - 01:40 AM

he's a clone. i know this because he speaks with a kiwi accent, and he scowls a lot.
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Posted 23 September 2004 - 02:17 AM

Personally, I belive him. I think he actually thinks he is improving the movies. He believes he is going back over past work and correcting the errors. Unfortunatly for the rest of us, what he doesn't like happend to be things which we thought were good.
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Posted 23 September 2004 - 03:15 AM

The neck theory was pretty good, Sime. I especially loved the picture of all the fans trying to touch Lucas with the caption saying that they believed he was a Chinese Panda.
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Posted 23 September 2004 - 12:04 PM

I'll second your opinion. I think he was just damned lucky with the Star Wars movies and now thinks he can do no wrong. So he's bastardizing his own work and thinks he's 'improving' it while he's actually destroying it completely.
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Posted 23 September 2004 - 01:08 PM

It's all about the money. Lucas knows each time he changes the movies blind loyalists (and there are many out there) will run to see the changes and put more money in his pockets. After the success of Empire, he figured the third movie would be done and Star Wars would be put behind. Hence why Jedi was so watered down. He dropped the love triangle between Luke, Han and Leia because that would involve a more in depth plot and some twist and turns which wouldn't go along with the lightheartedness (and more commercial appeal) he wanted to have in Jedi. Add in Jabba's Palace, the Ewok's, a clean cut (boring) Han Solo and Lando's character staying alive and you have all the commerical appeal Lucas wanted for ROTJ. To make as much money as he could because Star Wars wouldn't do much after that.(Or so he thought)

Fast forward ahead to the mid 90's, and thanks largely in part to Zahn's novels, Star Wars becomes part of pop culture again. And all Lucas saw was dollar signs. What we've seen since 1997 on is a result of Star Wars becoming popular again. Lucas milking it for every cent it's worth, and then some. Quantity over quality, and as long as he's making mega bucks over it, it won't stop. No matter how crappy his work has become

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Posted 24 September 2004 - 03:09 AM

I used to think Lucas was just very gifted, but more and more it's getting pretty obvious the man just got lucky with the original movies. Judging from his directing and scripting in the two prequels, he's either forgotten about or knows nothing about pacing, character developement, or dialog. Maybe he wanted to screw with ANH because the studios were to involved, maybe he wanted to screw with ESB and ROTJ because he didn't direct them. I think it just comes down to the fact he didn't have 100% control over these projects when they were first made. Thinking about it now, I'm wondering just how different these movies would have been if he did have complete control over these projects. would they be as big as they are today?
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Posted 24 September 2004 - 06:58 AM

I think they would look a lot like the prequels... and we wouldn't remember them now.

Also, Michel Orla, welcome to the forum. GiveMeTheOriginalsDammit, welcome again (although I think I said Hi already in another thread).

Michel, I think you're right on the mark with the money (and Return of the Jedi too - welcome fellow Return of the Jedi hater smile.gif )... there is a large problem with the blind loyalists, isn't there?

I understand wanting to get as much as you can out of something you love... I remember buying lots of Star Wars books, collecting Star Wars toys and buying the Star Wars video games. But there comes a point when you have to realise these things are no longer Star Wars.

Like with the Star Wars novels, you start to realise that apart from Timothy Zahn and a select few others, most of these things are awful and every time Kevin J. Anderson pens a novel, the Extended Universe gets a hundred times worse.

With the Star Wars movies, it's the same. But some people just can't seem to seperate the product from the name. I'd say to these people, when you watch the prequels (for example), forget the fact that they are titled Star Wars. THEN see what you think of them.
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Posted 24 September 2004 - 08:19 AM

You did indeed welcome me in another thread Just Your Average Movie Goer. Thank you for the welcome! I wouldn't go so far as to say I hated Jedi as you and Michel seem to, but I will definately concede it is the weakest of the three original films. My main reason for not outright hating it is that it at least brought about a satisfactory sense of closure to the films if nothing else. Ewoks do indeed suck and I never thought a race of aliens could be hated more until Gunguns came about.

You make a very valid point by stating:
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I understand wanting to get as much as you can out of something you love... I remember buying lots of Star Wars books, collecting Star Wars toys and buying the Star Wars video games. But there comes a point when you have to realise these things are no longer Star Wars.

Like with the Star Wars novels, you start to realise that apart from Timothy Zahn and a select few others, most of these things are awful and every time Kevin J. Anderson pens a novel, the Extended Universe gets a hundred times worse.

Now I was always of the frame of mind that the movies were canon and anything that happened outside of that particular medium was not part of the continuity of the Star Wars universe regardless of how good it was. (Timothy Zahn is definately one of the good ones, and although I hate to admit it I did like The Courtship of Princess Leia, whose author escapes me at this moment.) This was the case until I saw those damn preqeuls! There is no way I can accept these as an actual part of the Star Wars universe! The only thing that they share is the name and the soundtrack. I wish there was a way to just erase those first two preqeuls, perhaps a move much akin to the TV show "Dallas" where some character wakes up and says "Thank God it was all just a dream." I guess I suffer from what a lot of people on this board suffer from, wanting to love star wars again. I think that a lot of the loyalist fail to realize it's not that we wanted to hate the new star wars, but that we wanted to love it and embrace it as we did the originals. However They just can't seem to grasp that just because it shares the name, it doesn't mean it will automatically be a good film. For those of you who do love the new films, do you really think these movies are superior to the originals? Just curious.
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Posted 24 September 2004 - 08:29 AM

He got lucky. He had a good idea - stolen from someone else, admittedly, but still a good idea - and at that point he had others to help him make the films and curb his excesses. Much of The Empire Strikes Back, the film that most people consider the best, was actually written by people other than Lucas.

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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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