[Chefelf]

I think the celebrations are pretty lame for the following reasons:

1.) They bring up a bunch of planets that are not really relevant to the plot or haven't been mentioned in a while. Adding Naboo is extra lame since it has been forgotten for at least three movies.

2.) There is the implication that EVERYONE EVERYWHERE hates the Empire. I find that hard to believe. The United States is a far worse government than the Galactic Empire and there are plenty of people over here with flags hanging in the back of their pickup trucks.

3.) The story should stay focused on the characters at hand, not take a break to expore the socio-political ramafications of the battle. Why not show the Coruscant stock market collapse as well with a bunch of unhappy Rodian traders?

4.) Coruscant is neither mentioned nor implied in the original trilogy. The only reason I knew what they were showing when I first saw the SE was because of reading the Zahn books.

5.) As thrawn obviously knows, the Expanded Universe (EU) starts off with the Zahn books explaining the civil war that errupts in the aftermath of the attack on the Death Star. Like thrawn says, the destruction of the second Death Star and the Imperial Fleet is much more akin to Stalingrad than to the fall of the Nazi Empire. It is a turning point, yes, but not the end.

6.) Given the above points the celebrations would likely just be a celebration of the Emperor's death and nothing else.

[thrawn]

Thanks Chefelf, very well put

[Laura]

Speaking of people who LIKE the Empire, I haven't read the books, but it seems like even if you don't really love the way the Empire does things, it's not necessarily good for you when a bunch of scruffy rebels overthrow it. Sure, maybe it blew up a few planets, but it made the shuttles run on time. You think the rebels are going to take care of all the silly little planets in the galaxy?

At least for awhile, until a new centralized government of some kind takes effect (at least a delegation of ambassadors or something to take care of interplanetary affairs), everything's going to be thrown into turmoil for a while. A lot of planets probably depend on trade for survival, and it's going to be rough for them. People are going to die.

In the long run, it's probably better for individual planets' governments and for civil liberties and not getting your planet randomly blown up to prove a point, but I feel like the possibility of extremely hard times in the immediate future would keep you from necessarily celebrating. If everyone's happiness was pinned on the death star being destroyed, why weren't there more rebels? Why was everyone afraid to go up against the Empire? It's not JUST that it's powerful, but the people need to be reasonably content under its domination in order to make a stand just not worth enough for most citizens.

[Chefelf]

Iraq anyone?

[Give Me The Originals Dammit]

Well, well, well, a glorified review from theforce.net. Color me surprised! The reviewer sounds a bit confused to me, whining for the originals, yet staying on the side of George Lucas by saying the films never looked better. I'm sure the DVD's look and sound wonderful, but what's the point if the scenes I enjoyed are now completely ruined by Lucas's insane tweaking of these films. It just goes to show how the loyalists will settle for crap. In an odd kind of way it seems as though George Lucas is the evil empire, while those of us who are dissappointed with the way Lucas is handling his films are the rebellion. To all you people who settle for crap in the star wars universe for shame! You're ruining it for all of us!!!

[Just your average movie goer]

Very good point, very well said. Welcome to the forum, GiveMeTheOriginalsDammit.

We seem to be getting a few more members since this lastest atrocity. You're right, we really are the rebel alliance. And the people who are settling for crap are traitors.

(but not you, Vwing. I know you were hypnotised by an evil device of Lucas' )

[jariten]

what does that make me then?!

the celebrations at the end of Jedi are short (the various planet shots i mean) and are primarily included to add flavour/sense of closure like i said. Naboo is an important planet in Star Wars, hence its inclusion. the same goes for Courasant (however you spell it). making the death of the Empire reach to every corner of the galaxy gives the ending (to a series of 6 films dont forget) much more power and resonance.

[Give Me The Originals Dammit]

I could be wrong, but I don't remember Naboo ever being mentioned (and that includes my limited knowledge of the expanded universe) prior to the prequels. I don't know about you, but I don't recall seeing Gunsguns on hoth, or flying ships against the Death Star. The fact that there were celebrations after the emperor's defeat must mean the empire must not of had much of a pronounced presence on Naboo, which means it could have spared a few Gunguns to go to war. "Oh the empire is defeated! We did nothing to to help destroy our enemies but we'll celebrate with everyone else!" Man I hate Naboo, worthless draft dodgers!

[Just your average movie goer]

Jariten, the problem is that people like us who hate the prequels don't want any of that stuff filtering through into our beloved films. When we fell in love with Star Wars, Naboo was never mentioned, Boba Fett's father never started the Clone Wars, Yoda never did kung fu and Luke's father was never a scowly skinny teenager who just ranted and complained all the time about stupid things.

And now, I think it's reasonable that we should still be allowed to watch these films without this stuff. If people like Naboo and the gungans, fine! They can watch the prequels. But let's not let the prequel stuff into the original movies.

There are two distinct types of Star Wars fans - people who like the new stuff and people who like it the way it was.

Lucas gave the prequels to the first type, his die-hard supporters who'd watch anything with a Star Wars logo in front of them. They're happy. And they'd be happy with the original movies too because they also have a Star Wars logo in front of them.

But altering the original movies to make them even happier is unfair to the other fans. It's like Barend said, we didn't do anything to deserve this.

Ah, actually, tell you what, I'm going to start a new thread for this.

[jariten]

Lucas gave the prequels to the first type, his die-hard supporters who'd watch anything with a Star Wars logo in front of them

sigh...im fed up with trying to argue statements like this with you, so i`ll just let it go.

i really do know and have sympathy with those of you who hate the prequels but who now have to endure it ruining the originals for you too. Lucas though apparantly doesnt.

[Just your average movie goer]

Okay, I'm sorry. I'm not saying you're one of those people, Jariten. But they are out there, and in great numbers.

[Xombie]

Actually, chefelf, for the U.S. to be worse than the Empire wouldn't it have had to completely obliterated Iraq with nuclear bombs...

Or, to be more on target, wouldn't we have had to blown up the Philipines to get one low level al-qaeda operative to give up Osama's location?

[barend]

what's with people celebrating on Croisant?

wouldn't they be shot down by PCBAIR (Patriotic Croisantians Banning Anti Imperial Rebels) [you know, like PABAAH].