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#76 User is offline   J m HofMarN Icon

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Posted 27 September 2004 - 01:43 AM

There dosn't need to be any evidence it's just human nature. When we got our asses rightfully kicked in Vietnam noone wanted to tell the president. Today the same thing is going on. And it is so for Lucas as well. Sure there may be a few criticisms but not nearly enough. Do you honestly believe that noone who screened these films noticed the multitude of mistakes? Of course they did but noone was going to say anything.

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Posted 27 September 2004 - 04:27 AM

there comes a saturation point in any argument, and i supposed we`ve reached it here. to me, great things have occured (to greater and lesser extents) on every SW film. while being the most flawed and easily the worst, TPM is still full of great, imaginative ideas, enough that Lucas could not have come up with everything himself, and must have trusted and consulted with the whole team he hired.

furthermore, to address your other point, it was a really respected team at ILM that was giving him a grilling over the final battles in TPM- you know the guys (cant remember there names but theres that fat SFX guy who looks a bit like Peter Jackson) who were vital enough to be assured of not losing their jobs if they disagreed with Lucas (which is what you seemed to be suggesting). and did you ever come across any evidence of that anyway? i cant say for sure obviosuly, but if i was fired over something like that, i`d be pissed.

if only we had a plant at Lucasfilm...
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Posted 27 September 2004 - 05:07 PM

I'm not saying he'd fire them or that he won't take ideas from other people I'm saying he's not very likely to accept criticism of his own ideas because he dosn't have to. And if anyone tries sure, he might not fire them but he has the power to decide whether to rehire them later or give them a good recomendation. That's how things work and I know there's no documentation to prove it but it makes sense that most people will mute their criticisms of Lucas.

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Posted 29 September 2004 - 03:40 PM

QUOTE (jariten @ Sep 25 2004, 07:41 PM)
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When one gains total creative control of their product and does not allow critiqe, diverse input, and outside ideas, the end result will ultimately die.


i hear this critisism a lot, often presented as the true reason behind the apparant failings of episodes 1 and 2. can someone actually give me some idea about where this came from though? can someone present me with evidence that Lucas was not open to third party critique during scriptwriting/filming/post? anyone? heres a bit of evidence to the contrary then, to get us started.

1.Lucas gave copies of the TPM script to Fisher and Kasdan, asked them to read it and comment on it.

2.Lucas co-wrote episode 2 with Jonathon Hales.

can someone present me with evidence that Lucas was not open to third party critique during scriptwriting/filming/post?
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Posted 29 September 2004 - 03:50 PM

QUOTE (baccamon @ Sep 29 2004, 01:40 PM)
can someone present me with evidence that Lucas was not open to third party critique during scriptwriting/filming/post?

Sure Jar Jar, will straight from the source satisfy you?...

http://news.bbc.co.u...ilm/1986453.stm

As an independent-minded director, who refuses to take a focus group approach to film-making, Lucas says he knew he had to make some unpopular decisions in setting the scene in Episode I.
"I knew when I made the film that I was doing something that was not commercially wise - but I had a story to tell and to me this is one big movie. It's one 12-hour movie in six parts and it's a story," he explains.

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And mind you, when George says not commercially wise, he is talking out of his ass. Everything he's done since Jedi, including the increased prominence of Boba Fett and the baby Greedo characther, has been for commercialism. What was Jar Jar, if not a loveable character for kidz?

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Posted 30 September 2004 - 07:43 AM

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Sure Jar Jar, will straight from the source satisfy you?...


"jar jar"?...oh wait, i get it rolleyes.gif

by "straight from the source" i thought you might have provided me with a quote from Lucas saying "i dont listen to anyone else when making these films". instead you give me more media interpretation.

again, straight from the gungans mouth...

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I hear this critisism a lot, often presented as the true reason behind the apparant failings of episodes 1 and 2. can someone actually give me some idea about where this came from though? can someone present me with evidence that Lucas was not open to third party critique during scriptwriting/filming/post? anyone? heres a bit of evidence to the contrary then, to get us started.

1.Lucas gave copies of the TPM script to Fisher and Kasdan, asked them to read it and comment on it.

2.Lucas co-wrote episode 2 with Jonathon Hales.

3. (brought over from another thread) the DVD documentary "the beginning" clearly shows a large group meeting at lucasfilm where Lucas is taking input from everyone, and as a result the sequence is changed

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Posted 30 September 2004 - 07:59 AM

Here is a real life look at how Lucas works when he is creating these films. cool.gif
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Posted 30 September 2004 - 08:06 AM

Hey look. You can create your own..
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Posted 30 September 2004 - 10:50 AM

This is fun!
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Posted 30 September 2004 - 10:58 AM

That last one is great. I can picture Lucas saying exactly that
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Posted 30 September 2004 - 05:12 PM

Check mine out Here

Yeah I think this is a very clear representation of the process that brought us the prequels.

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Posted 30 September 2004 - 06:54 PM

Nice. smile.gif
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Posted 01 October 2004 - 12:46 AM

QUOTE (jariten @ Sep 22 2004, 11:32 PM)
i thought he co-wrote it with Leigh Brackett.

I couldn't even finish reading the thread... this madness must be stopped:

Lucas wrote a synopsis which he then handed off to Brackett (a writer in the industry who had done work for Howard Hawks among others). Leigh was very ill and barely even finished her first draft when she ultimately lost her battle with cancer. Reluctantly, Lucas took to revising the script himself, but the turned it over to Lawrence Kasdan (father of Jacob "Zero Effect" Kasdan) who had just finished writing RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. His comments on getting the writing job:

George said, 'You know, Leigh Brackett was writing THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK... Unfortunately, she just passed away. I wonder if you would like to continue writing the screenplay....' I had had absolutely no indication before our lunch that my writing EMPIRE was ever being considered. Once I got the job I was excited because I liked Star Wars very much...

As an aside about Brackett's work:

(The script) was sort of old fashioned and didn't relate to STAR WARS. The characters had all the right names, but her story's spirit was different... I'm a little wary about talking about Leigh's script, because I'm not sure if people realize how much a first draft is always changed in the development of a screenplay. I'm sure that had Leigh lived, she could have made the changes that George wanted in an excellent way....

But about Lucas' version:

George had the story very well outlined, but there were sections in the script which, when I read them, made me say to myself, 'I can't believe that George wrote this scene. It's terrible.'

So, precious little of what we hear in the script (and clearly at least a few key scenes) were manufactured, not by Brackett and Lucas, but by Kasdan. So, essentially, the writer of the film (Kasdan) and the director (Kirschner) were both ultimately overridden by the company that owned the film (Lucasfilm). It is ironic that this was just what Lucas had sought to avoid in his early days.

--FW

PS - Quick note about direction:
"Richard Marquand directed (JEDI)... but Lucas was around all the time keeping an eye on things."
--Sebastian Shaw, formerly Anakin Skywalker, RIP

No wonder this guy got replaced, he paid the price for his lack of "vision."

(All quotes excerpted from THE UNAUTHORIZED STAR WARS COMPENDIUM, Ted Edwards, 1999)
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Posted 01 October 2004 - 01:01 AM

Jariten,

I'll note that you did NOT read the interview with Gary Kurtz. The man is ANYTHING but a Lucas Basher and even appears in "Empire of Dreams."

--FW
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Posted 01 October 2004 - 02:16 AM

if i didnt read the interview, why would i say i did?
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