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#1 User is offline   Little Jerry Seinfeld Icon

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Posted 06 September 2004 - 03:43 PM

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In the scene from RETURN OF THE JEDI on Dagobah where Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi's ghost teaches Luke the concept of seeing things from a "certain point of view," there was originally more dialogue revealing a little more about Anakin/Vader. In the third draft of the script by Lawrence Kasdan and George Lucas (unconfirmed), Ben tells a bigger story than the one he told Luke in the film.

Here is the dialoge from that conversation as it reads in an alleged third draft of the script:

BEN
Yoda will always be with you.

Luke looks up to see the shimmering image of BEN KENOBI.

LUKE
Obi-Wan! Why didn't you tell me?

The ghost of Ben Kenobi approaches him through the swamp.

LUKE
You told me Vader betrayed
and murdered my father.

BEN
You father was seduced by the dark
side of the Force. He ceased to be
Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader.
When that happened, the good man
who was your father was destroyed.
So what I have told you was true...
from a certain point of view.

LUKE (turning away, derisive)
A certain point of view!

BEN
Luke, you're going to find that many
of the truths we cling to depend greatly
on our own point of view.

Luke is unresponsive. Ben studies him in silence for a moment.

BEN
I don't blame you for being angry.
If I was wrong in what I did, it
certainly wouldn't have been for the first time.
You see, what happened to your
father was my fault.

Ben pauses sadly.

BEN
Anakin was a good friend.

Luke turns with interest at this. As Ben speaks, Luke settles on a stump, mesmerized. Artoo comes over to offer his comforting presence.

BEN
When I first knew him, your father
was already a great pilot. But I was
amazed how strongly the Force was with him.
I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi.
I thought that I could instruct him just
as well as Yoda. I was wrong.
My pride has had terrible
consequences for the galaxy.

Luke is entranced.

LUKE
There's still good in him.

BEN
I also thought he could be turned
back to the good side. It couldn't be done.
He is more machine now than man.
Twisted and evil.

LUKE
I can't do it, Ben.

BEN
You cannot escape
your destiny.

LUKE
I tried to stop him once.
I couldn't do it.

BEN
Vader humbled you when first you
met him, Luke...but that experience was
part of your training. It taught you,
among other things, the value of
patience. Had you not been so impatient
to defeat Vader then, you could have
finished your training here with Yoda.
You would have been prepared.

LUKE
But I had to help my friends.

BEN (grinning at Luke's indignation)
And did you help them?
It was they who had to save you.
You achieved little by rushing back
prematurely, I fear.

LUKE
(with sadness)
I found out Darth Vader
was my father.

BEN
To be a Jedi, Luke, you must confront
and then go beyond the dark side -
the side your father couldn't get past.
Impatience is the easiest door - for you,
like your father. Only, your father was seduced
by what he found on the other side of
the door, and you have held firm.
You're no longer so reckless now, Luke.
You are strong and patient. And now,
you must face Darth Vader again!

LUKE
I can't kill my own father.

BEN
Then the Emperor has already won.
You were our only hope.

LUKE
Yoda spoke of another.

BEN
The other he spoke of
is your twin sister.

LUKE
But I have no sister.

BEN
Hmm. To protect you both from the Emperor,
you were hidden from your father when
you were born. The Emperor knew, as I did,
if Anakin were to have any offspring, they
would be a threat to him. That is the reason
why your sister remains safely anonymous.

LUKE
Leia! Leia's my sister.

BEN
Your insight serves you well.
Bury your feelings deep down, Luke.
They do you credit. But they
could be made to serve the Emperor.

Luke looks into the distance, trying to comprehend all this.

BEN
(continuing his narrative)
When your father left, he didn't know
your mother was pregnant. Your mother
and I knew he would find out eventually,
but we wanted to keep you both as safe
as possible, for as long as possible.
So I took you to live with my brother
Owen on Tatooine... and your mother took
Leia to live as the daughter of
Senator Organa, on Alderaan.

Luke turns, and settles near Ben to hear the tale.

BEN
(attempting to give solace with his words)
The Organa household was high-born
and politically quite powerful in that system.
Leia became a princess by virtue of lineage...
no one knew she'd been adopted, of course.
But it was a title without real power,
since Alderaan had long been a democracy.
Even so, the family continued to be politically
powerful, and Leia, following in her foster
father's path, became a senator as well.
That's not all she became, of course...
she became the leader of her cell in the
Alliance against the corrupt Empire.
And because she had diplomatic immunity,
she was a vital link for getting information to
the Rebel cause. That's what she was doing
when her path crossed yours... for her foster
parents had always told her to contact
me on Tatooine, if her
troubles became desperate.

Luke is overwhelmed by the truth, and is suddenly protective of his sister.

LUKE
But you can't let her get involved
now, Ben. Vader will destroy her.

BEN
She hasn't been trained in the ways
of the Jedi the way you have, Luke...
but the Force is strong with her,
as it is with all of your family.
There is no avoiding the battle.
You must face and destroy Vader!
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Posted 06 September 2004 - 07:09 PM

What the fuck does all of that have to do with anything? If they were just going to re-edit the OT to tell about everything that happened before hand than why even bother with making prequels?

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Posted 06 September 2004 - 07:09 PM

Thank you, Little Jerry Seinfeld, for that. That's how I also imagined Leia's background. She was adopted into the royal family of Alderaan for her protection.

There certainly is no point in making her mother as the Queen of Naboo.
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Posted 06 September 2004 - 07:11 PM

J M, you missed the point. This is about how Lucas originally conceived Leia's heritage and it demonstrates that the prequels contradict what he had originally planned.
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Posted 06 September 2004 - 08:53 PM

QUOTE (Just your average movie goer @ Sep 6 2004, 07:11 PM)
J M, you missed the point. This is about how Lucas originally conceived Leia's heritage and it demonstrates that the prequels contradict what he had originally planned.

exactly, JYAMG - this was the original dialogue before it was stripped down in ROTJ.

you're hunch that ben was obi-wans brother was right on. also, this passage gives us a little more insight into the obiwan/ben/anakin history.
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Posted 06 September 2004 - 09:08 PM

but more importantly it illustrates what an ass lucarse is!!!
constantly betraying his younger and less corupted past...

he's more piggy bank than man, now...
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Posted 06 September 2004 - 09:11 PM

At least they kept the part about the log. wink.gif
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Posted 06 September 2004 - 09:15 PM

On one hand, if it was kept in it would make the prequels less dumb, on the other a lot of people would think, "Booring!," and fast forward. I think it would make the story a whole lot larger though.
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Posted 07 September 2004 - 12:05 AM

Oh, I don't disagree with its exclusion from the final cut of Return of the Jedi. But it was originally part of the back story - so we should have seen this in the prequels.
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Posted 07 September 2004 - 02:27 AM

Thanks LJS. This almost brought tears in my eyes. Perhaps it is not the best writing in the universe (SW never was) , but it has feelings and makes sense.

And I agree with JYAMG - logically, you would think that GL removed it from ROTJ because he wanted to save the back story for prequels. Everyone else would do that. What a moron...
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Posted 07 September 2004 - 05:04 AM

Great, even more reasons to hate the prequels. :angry:
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Posted 07 September 2004 - 07:27 AM

it is only an "alleged" draft of the script though right? im glad it wasnt in RotJ though, its too long and dull as hell.
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Posted 07 September 2004 - 09:02 AM

QUOTE (Despondent @ Sep 6 2004, 10:11 PM)
At least they kept the part about the log. wink.gif

laugh.gif Fantastic.

What gets me is that Obi-Wan refers to Owen as "my brother". What gives with that?
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Posted 07 September 2004 - 09:37 AM

QUOTE (Little Jerry Seinfeld @ Sep 6 2004, 08:53 PM)
you're hunch that OWEN was obi-wans brother was right on. also, this passage gives us a little more insight into the obiwan/ben/anakin history.

whoops, a li'l error there....
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Posted 07 September 2004 - 09:39 AM

I remember a post a while back when JYAMG always thought that owen lars was ben kenobi's bro. turns out lucas had that in mind...
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