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Posted 02 September 2004 - 02:16 AM

Did any other Australians see The Sound of War on the ABC last night?
I expected it to be full of the stereotypical, gungho American soldiers we hear about, but it wasn't... I laughed and I cried.
I hoped their families could see it.
I wanted to hug everyone of them.
George Gittoes did an amazing job, I learned a hell of a lot and was humbled by it.

I wish them all a safe return home.
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 03:56 AM

i saw parts of it...

i felt sorry for the punk guy, he seemed pretty intelligent, and talked about music the way i do... i have to wonder how someone like him ended up in the army... and he was stuck in that vehicle with two RNB idiots.... the worst part was:

interviewer:"so does anyone else listen to punk here...?"
soldier:"there use to be a friend of ours, we use to listen to music together but he's not with us anymore..."
interviewer:*jokingly* "oh, did these two have him killed or something, for listening to punk?"*laughs*
soldier:"no, he was killed in combat, a few weeks back.."
interviewer:"oh, geez sorry, i didn't realize i wouldn't have made that joke, sorry, i didn't mean any disrespect..."

i can't beleive the interviewr did that...

it was quite interesting...

the sniper guy esp. saying how he was shocked by the reality of it all because you think your just going to be shooting outlines or something, but he could count the eyelashes of the person he was about to shoot...

it's really sad to hear what people who had no idea what it was they were getting into, talk about having there eyes opened to such a savage reality.
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 03:58 AM

also i was actually watching it with a friend who used to be in the army...

to help curiosity i was able to play the slayer tracks mentioned...
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 08:23 AM

Bugger, I forgot it was on. I really wanted to watch that.
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 09:16 AM

To bad I'm not in the country - or I would have watched it too. It sounds quite interesting... although I can't believe what that interviewer did, Barend. Unbelievable.
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 12:46 PM

QUOTE (barend @ Sep 2 2004, 04:56 AM)
the sniper guy esp. saying how he was shocked by the reality of it all because you think your just going to be shooting outlines or something, but he could count the eyelashes of the person he was about to shoot...

it's really sad to hear what people who had no idea what it was they were getting into, talk about having there eyes opened to such a savage reality.

Oh come on. He was going into combat. If he didn't know what he was getting into, he shouldn't have joined the military. I see no reason to be sympathetic towards people like that. I mean think about it, you're trained to shoot people. How can you not expect to ever have to kill someone? They can talk all they want about "having their eyes opened", but in the end it really seems to boil down to the fact that they're too ignorant to think these things through before they jump up and enlist.
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 01:46 PM

QUOTE (barend @ Sep 2 2004, 09:56 AM)
interviewer:"so does anyone else listen to punk here...?"
soldier:"there use to be a friend of ours, we use to listen to music together but he's not with us anymore..."
interviewer:*jokingly* "oh, did these two have him killed or something, for listening to punk?"*laughs*
soldier:"no, he was killed in combat, a few weeks back.."
interviewer:"oh, geez sorry, i didn't realize i wouldn't have made that joke, sorry, i didn't mean any disrespect..."

That's the most fucking insensitive piece of shit I've ever heard of in my life. You do have to wonder whoy they don't just staple some peoples mouths shut sometimes.
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 09:56 PM

No...it wasn't like that...you'd have to watch it to understand.

They were all laughing and joking about their tastes in music.

The interviewer George Gettoes, Australian, alone with a handheld camera, asked the question in the context of the conversation.
The soldier didn't say he'd been killed, he said in an ordinary conversational way that he wasn't with them any more. When Gittoes realised what he'd actually meant, he was genuinely contrite, and apologised to them all.
They were in a war, their mates get killed. No'one looked upset, or hurt, it's what happens. He was more upset than they were.

I learned later that parts of the film had been used in Michael Moores Fahrenheit 9/11. Also, apparently 80 million Americans have seen it already.

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Posted 02 September 2004 - 09:59 PM

QUOTE (Heccubus @ Sep 2 2004, 12:46 PM)
Oh come on. He was going into combat. If he didn't know what he was getting into, he shouldn't have joined the military. I see no reason to be sympathetic towards people like that. I mean think about it, you're trained to shoot people. How can you not expect to ever have to kill someone? They can talk all they want about "having their eyes opened", but in the end it really seems to boil down to the fact that they're too ignorant to think these things through before they jump up and enlist.

hey, nobody has less tolerance for dumb people then I...

but in all fairness...
these kids were wowed by adds that show people in the army having fun, and doing exiting stuff... these young fools thought it was going to be like a video game, and the army itself did nothing to disrupt that illusion.

yes, smarter people like us know what happens in combat...
these are just kids who thought they'd presss a few buttons, make some figures on a screen dissapear and get a medal..

they didn't know they were going to be looking at the exp​ression on the face of person as vital chunks of flesh are seratedly pushed out the other end of their body by high speed peices of metal. that they were going to be destroying families, and that those people up close would be more obviously just like them, and that they would not realize that untill they were halfway through gunning them down.

i feel sorry for them in the same way i feel sorry for a small child who puts their hand on a hotplate....

they didn't know any better, and this was a horrible way to have to learn something...
alot of them were quite dissilusioned saying "i hav'ent seen any weapons of mass destruction, this is bullshit" and so forth.
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 10:06 PM

QUOTE (Little princess @ Sep 2 2004, 09:56 PM)
No...it wasn't like that...you'd have to watch it to understand.

They were all laughing and joking about their tastes in music.

The interviewer George Gettoes, Australian, alone with a handheld camera, asked the question in the context of the conversation.
The soldier didn't say he'd been killed, he said in an ordinary conversational way that he wasn't with them any more.

it seemed pretty obvious that that's what he ment when he said, is'nt with us anymore...

the interviewer just didn't think about it properly, and put his foot in it...
i just thought it was arwkward...

i wasn't questioning him as an interviewer, he did a great job, but that mistake was quite careless i though...

it just seemed obvious to me... my friend and i looked at each other in shock, as soon as made the joke. (it's also the australian sense of humor, it doesn't work well on other people it usually just frightens them, as i have learnt).
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 06:56 AM

QUOTE (Little princess @ Sep 3 2004, 10:56 AM)
I learned later that parts of the film had been used in Michael Moores Fahrenheit 9/11. Also, apparently 80 million Americans have seen it already.

I remember hearing that when they interviewed the interviewee on Triple J. I haven't seen either doco yet(though I sorely want to), but apparantly Moore took some of their comments completely out of context or something. The guy who made the music documentary didn't mind, as they were trying to make different points, but it goes to show that documentaries aren't always to be trusted.
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Posted 04 September 2004 - 01:31 AM

Why do you always have to argue with me?

Why can't some of you bastards agree with me For once??
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Posted 04 September 2004 - 04:14 PM

But friction breeds something something something, surely?
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 04:46 AM

Argue? I was mearly further eluciating your point. I wonder if I spelt any of that right.
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Posted 06 September 2004 - 05:59 AM

You were nit-picking.

*merely elucidating*

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