[J m HofMarN]

When do you guys think the Jedi are going to figure it out? My guess is that Palpatine will immediately start killing his henchman and the Jedi will gawk for a while.

Then he'll hang a banner from his chambers that says "All hail the dark lord of the Sith"

And they'll scratch their heads.

Then he'll hang a benner over that one that says "I AM the dark lord of the sith"

And they'll kind of look at eachother oddly

Then he'll add onto that banner: "I am the dark lord of the sith AND I've been clouding your vision with the dark side."

Then they'll all kind of nod and draw their lightsabers but by then he'll have an army of droids surrounding them.

[Helena]

According to this, ' Mace Windu manages to piece together the Sith conspiracy and comes to the conclusion that Palpatine is evil'.

*Shrugs*

[Just your average movie goer]

Why couldn't they just sense that Palpatine was evil through the force? Oh, wait -

their diminishing power in the force. Okay, what are the bets that Lucas will explain this in Episode III?

Ladies and gentlemen? ... um.... anyone?



One of the greatest unintentional laugh out loud moments of Episode II came from the complete inability of the Jedi to detect evil.

It was at the end of the movie where after Dookoo has slaughtered hundreds of Jedi Knights and caused lots and lots of chaos, Yoda looks at him and says -

"I sense the dark side in you."



"Geez, Yoda. You reckon?!"

[Helena]

Isn't it funny how the Dark Side appears to be stronger in the Prequels, when the Jedi are everywhere, yet somehow the Force is 'back in balance' by the time of ESB, when the Sith rule the galaxy and all but a handful of the Jedi are dead?

[jariten]

how is it back into balance by the time of ESB?

[J m HofMarN]

If the force had still been this lopsided in ESB Luke never would have known that Han and Leia were suffering. He'd also have thought Chewie was his sister.

[Despondent]

Lets see, OT: we have a clear vision of a positive way of life. Fighting nobly for the good. Spirited duels and some cool special effects. The original Star Wars films were the best trilogy out there.

And the PT: hazy reckoning for this all powerful sweeping evil. Failing for your efforts, as you try to get laid. An actual set piece here and there, and more light saber colors than jellybeans.

When will you learn? Don't you see the greater picture? I can already hear how disappointed you'll be without ever giving the movie a chance! It's ok if it sucks. It's supposed to!

[jariten]

during the prequels the bad is getting stronger to balance out the good, after the dark saide wins the light side comes back to balance out that, and eventually the ultimate `bad` embodiment of the force, and the `good` willfully die at the same time, thus bringing the force back into balance. ta-daa.

[HK 47]

during the prequels the bad is getting stronger to balance out the good, after the dark saide wins the light side comes back to balance out that, and eventually the ultimate `bad` embodiment of the force, and the `good` willfully die at the same time, thus bringing the force back into balance. ta-daa.

And what does that mean, exactly? How is it important? Why do the Jedi have a prophecy about "balance of the Force"? What does it mean to them? Everyone dies except two Jedi, (Luke and Yoda) so that they "balance" the utterly stupid rule-of-two Sith??!

If "balance of the Force" is important to the plot, which it seems to be, perhaps George should take the time to explain it. I can bet you anything George won't even mention it in RotS. Just like the midichlorians it has been conveniently swept under the rug.

[jariten]

balance- i.e things in harmony. there is obviously some kind of major upset in the force because these terrible things are going to happen to balance out the prevailing `light` side, then once the dark side of the force is gaining power in the second trilogy, the good bit of the force comes back to balance that out. the force is trying to maintain equilibrium throughout the series.

I agree about the midichorians thing though. I hope that something of them is in RotS, otherwise its just going to look like an abandoned idea.

[SimeSublime]

I never thought of the force as good, evil or neutral. Rather, the light and dark side refered to the state of mind of the user, and how they chose to use the force.

[HK 47]

balance- i.e things in harmony. there is obviously some kind of major upset in the force because these terrible things are going to happen to balance out the prevailing `light` side, then once the dark side of the force is gaining power in the second trilogy, the good bit of the force comes back to balance that out. the force is trying to maintain equilibrium throughout the series.

Uh, I see, so why does the Light side have a resounding final victory in the end if the Force is trying to maintain equilibrium throughout the series? Why isn't Luke and Leia killed to "balance things out"? Why do the Jedi get 1000 years of Light rule and the Sith about 30 years of Dark rule? Balance was never mentioned in the OT of course. But all these inconsistencies are really beside the point.

The point is: If Lucas wants to base his stories on prophesies and "balance" theories, he'd better explain them. Otherwise they mean nothing to the audience. Think about it, it's really ludicrous. Talking about Anakin as "the one who will bring balance to the Force", making it sound important and not explaining it! Stupid!!

Quoting myself: "I can bet you anything George won't even mention it in RotS." Wait for it. The balance thing is rubbish and you know it.

[Paladin]

I'm with ya there, HK, all the way through.

[jariten]

balance, like the midis (god knows what will become of them) arnt mentioned in the OT because the matter is totally irrelavant to the situation at hand. i wouldve thought that was obvious.

[Helena]

how is it back into balance by the time of ESB?

Luke asks Yoda in ESB if the Dark Side is stronger, and Yoda clearly says that it is not.

LUKE
Vader.  Is the dark side stronger?

YODA
No... no... no.  Quicker, easier, more seductive.

There is no mention whatsoever of the Force being 'out of balance' at any point in the OT. Yoda makes this statement before Vader and the Emperor die. The idea that Anakin's death puts the Force 'back in balance' is entirely the creation of desperate fanboys, trying to pretend that there's some kind of continuity between the PT and the OT, whereas in reality it's clear that Lucas is simply making up the Prequels as he goes along and can't be bothered to connect the two trilogies together.