[Just your average movie goer]

I'd like to quote what Civilian Number Two said to Mike when he was trying to defend Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (which is as much a lost cause as defending the prequels)....

I hope you're wearing a helmet, Jariten. Because that's a pretty weak limb you're standing on.

[jariten]

they did discuss the problem of the possibility of a jedi erasing those files. and why couldnt Yoda use the opportunity to teach the kids something, or to give them the chance the exercise a bit of logical thought?

[barend]

BECAUSE THEY WERE 4 YEAR OLDS!!!!!!!!

they had barley just finished sitting in their own nappy reteined shit!
no matter how powerful, or prodogeous the kids were, they had not been alive long enough to figure ANYTHING out, it's just an insult!!!

[Commoner]

Add to that rule #1 in Sci-Fi/fantasy films:

"Kids don't work in Sci-Fi/fantasy films!" Because the writers/directors just never completely grasp what a kid's life would be like in these environments, and they just don't plain work! Seen not hear is my motto.

I just think of Kyu when I see these goofy kids. Ugh!

This post has been edited by Commoner: 02 September 2004 - 07:53 AM

[Chefelf]

can somebody remind me of the part that refutes that Obi Wan hadnt already-

1. figured it out

2. was going to Yoda for confirmation/to discuss the problem of a jedi potentially wiping data from the archive, and

3. that he was just keeping his mouth shut and letting Yoda let the kids try to figure it out in the way that good teachers should?

I don't think that was the case here. Obi-Wan certainly seems genuinely surprised when the answer is presented to him. I see what you're saying about the scene being used to show Jedi arrogance but I'll have to agree with HK47 that this scene merely shows that Obi-Wan must be really dumb. It doesn't have to do with Jedi anything, Obi-Wan is clearly just a stupid, stupid man.

This is one of my points (if I remember correctly) that they say NO ONE could delete a planet from records... only a JEDI would be able to do that. I don't buy that at all. I still think someone that's good with computers would be capable of such a thing. I don't remember that training scene on Dagobah where Yoda teaches Luke how to hack a database.

civilian_number_two

I believe you haven't seen the film so here's a brief rundown of the scene:

Obi-Wan doesn't know why a planet that is supposed to be there does not show up in the official Republic starsystem map. Some fat six-armed alien in a 50's style diner told him about the planet, yet it has been erased from the database wihtout anyone knowing until now.

Obi-Wan can't figure out why the planet is not showing up so he goes to Yoda. Yoda is in a room with about a dozen five-year-olds who are waving around lightsabers in an extremely unsafe classroom. Obi-Wan asks Yoda, he makes fun of Obi-Wan for "losing a planet" then he asks one of the kids why it would be missing. Then the whole: "How simple the mind of a child."

Then Yoda and Obi-Wan go off and discuss how troubling it is that it's been erased and that only a Jedi could have done it.

[civilian_number_two]

Thanks Chef. I think I can form an opinion from here.

This scene isn't at all what I had imagined when you all started talking about it. This is one of those "missing place" devices that occur in fantasy stories that allow things like jungles so thick a city can actually hide (Think Machu Picchu, Shangri-La, the Hidden Fortress, maybe), or that have empires so old that parts of them are forgotten by history. The notion usually is that very few have heard of it, it hasn't ever been mapped or logged in any way, or it's only on a single map, maybe tattooed on a baby's ass or some stupid thing like that.

That is was in a a database, and some dude erased it, well I have words for that.

That is fucking retarded.

That's like someone erasing Cuba. Come on! What kind of database is this? Don't they have any hard files? No read-only discs, or sculptures, or physically drawn maps? This is just idiotic.

Mind: I don't have a problem with fantasy, per se, but you have to go all the way with it. You can't have two-term queens and trade blockades and symbiont organisms on the one hand and then on the other hand have lost kingdoms and space-sailboats and Virgin births and ...

Gaaaahhh.

That's it. I'm writing my own prequel treatment. See you all in a year.

-civ

(ps: I'll still, like, post here, and stuff. )