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Posted 10 September 2004 - 12:07 AM

In fact this just dosn't make a bit of sense now that I think of it. The republic was defended by a hundred people. Palpatine, in total, has command of Three big fuckoff armies. He was in control of the first droid army more or less, the second droid army alliance, and the clone army. He could have just slaughtered the Jedi and taken control of the republic. The republic should have had some form of military, for it not to have a military is just silly. And another thing. If the Jedi have been guardians of peace in the galaxy for over ten thousand years or whatever than how does Palpatine convince ANYONE that they're up to no good?

"Hello. I'm a politician and a dictator. The Jedi, who have protected the republic since time immemorable, are evil. Any questions?"

How the hell would the senate ever believe anything so stupid?

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Posted 10 September 2004 - 12:10 AM

This is a very good point. What do you reckon, Jariten?

(Just being hopeful)
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Posted 10 September 2004 - 04:38 AM

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"Let's infiltrate the arena and fight the bad guys" Does not equal a battle plan. Jedi are supposed to be clever and knowledgable. The rescue in ATOTC makes ROTJs rescue look like a Navy SEALS operation.


like i said, they acted as fast as they could with the resources they had. and although they lost a lot of jedi, they eventually beat back the droid army. that was the best they could hope to do in the limited time they had.

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And how did the Jedi get the ships and artillery I mean a clone army would be suspicious but a fully equipped navy and army with artillery and aerial support? Why did noone sense something odd about this?


presumably because all this stuff was being built on Kamino, the mystery `invisible planet`. no one had questioned its disappearance before Obi Wan so i`m guessing that no one much cared about it. so the Kaminoans were able to go about their buisiness undetected. and I dont trust those guys one bit, I think there was supposed to be something not quite right about them (the fact that they were housing a nasty bounty hunter non withstanding)

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Why did noone sense something odd about this?


if you mean the Jedi, well

"blind we were, if creation of this clone army, we could not see"

"the darkside of the force has clouded their vision..."

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If the Jedi can't even stand up to a droid army why hasn't the republic already been conquered? Are we to believe that for a thousand years the republic has been guarded by a hundred meat-bags with glowing rods and their cunning genereal, Cptn Noplan?


"there hasn`t been a fullscale war since the formation of the Republic"

so i`m guessing that this seperatist movement is the first real nasty event to happen in the Republic since that. and the jedi could stand up to a droid army, but not the multiple forces of several droid armies combined (as is what happened in AotC)

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The republic was defended by a hundred people.


there were thousands of jedi at the time of TPM. as the opening crawl informs us, those numbers have been depleted over the years, and its only just dwindling now at the time of AotC. Lucas was trying to press on us the idea that the Republics, as well as the jedis, time is coming to an end.

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Palpatine, in total, has command of Three big fuckoff armies. He was in control of the first droid army more or less, the second droid army alliance, and the clone army.


well, exactly who the hell was in charge of the clone army is still not clear. Heres how I see it. Palpatine needed a Jedi to act on behalf of the Republic in order to get the clone army developed in the first place. hence, once the order was complete, he needed another Jedi to activate the army on his behalf. To this end, he set up the war (using Dooku to persuade the thousand of other systems to join him), and he set up the trail for Obi Wan to follow that would lead him to Kamino. He had to be as secretive as possible, in order to carry out his boo-hiss operations undetected. like i said though, Lucas has already stated that the `sifo Dias/clobe army/erased files` stuff would be resolved in RotS.

and obviously, the Federations army alone might be enough to occupy Naboo, but not Courascant, and all the countless other planets he would need to occupy too in order to keep power.

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The republic should have had some form of military, for it not to have a military is just silly.


yeah, I know what you mean, but it was apparantly a peaceful kind of place that thought it didnt need one. Palpatine uses that to his advantage, totally changing the galaxy into a military state controlled with fear. a democracy becomes a dictatorship. I think the fact that Naboo had no real defence force (the ship didnt even have weapons) was meant to emphasise this, and to make the transision from that to the Empire even more blunt and shocking.

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And another thing. If the Jedi have been guardians of peace in the galaxy for over ten thousand years or whatever than how does Palpatine convince ANYONE that they're up to no good?


well, that remains to be seen I guess. but i think you touched upon it yourself. in a time that now requires heavy muscle and military action (a time which Palpatine single handedly created himself), what place these ancient warriors and magicians have in it? they seem like a relic of the past already.
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Posted 10 September 2004 - 09:56 AM

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The republic should have had some form of military, for it not to have a military is just silly.

yeah, I know what you mean, but it was apparantly a peaceful kind of place that thought it didnt need one. Palpatine uses that to his advantage, totally changing the galaxy into a military state controlled with fear. a democracy becomes a dictatorship. I think the fact that Naboo had no real defence force (the ship didnt even have weapons) was meant to emphasise this, and to make the transision from that to the Empire even more blunt and shocking.


Which still makes absolutely NO sense. If there is any OTHER out there that you don't have direct control over, if there's an OTHER you have to compete with on any level (even economically), if there is any OTHER who might have any size bone to pick with you on any possible subject or situation, you had better have an army. Even in "peacetime", Murphy's Law is still in effect, and if you have any sense, you always prepare for the worst. Any entity with no army is begging to be taken over. And not in a matter of a thousand years or so, either.

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And another thing. If the Jedi have been guardians of peace in the galaxy for over ten thousand years or whatever than how does Palpatine convince ANYONE that they're up to no good?

well, that remains to be seen I guess. but i think you touched upon it yourself. in a time that now requires heavy muscle and military action (a time which Palpatine single handedly created himself), what place these ancient warriors and magicians have in it? they seem like a relic of the past already.


There had better be a good explanation (though I'm not counting on one). If they're relics from the past, you ignore them, not kill them wholesale.
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Posted 12 September 2004 - 01:27 AM

If what you say is true about Lucas explaining Palpatine's plot in ROTS then I suppose I should call a truce until that film comes out.

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Posted 12 September 2004 - 08:08 AM

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There had better be a good explanation (though I'm not counting on one). If they're relics from the past, you ignore them, not kill them wholesale.


well, but theyre still dangerous obviously, and still a threat to Palpatines desire to take over the republic and turn it into a dictatorship. needless to say, they have to be dispensed with.
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