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Posted 29 August 2004 - 05:57 AM

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when he leaped out of the speeder, fell a long way, landed on Zams speeder, and brought it down while holding on in mid air while the speeder was going god knows how fast.

Leaving aside how completely unrealistic this bit looks, how does that count as being a 'cunning warrior'?

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maybe they were all cunning warriors too?? he managed to survive when many others didnt. after watching AotC, did you still doubt that Anakin wasnt a special, gifted Jedi, a sigificant cut above the others?

Er.. yes, in fact, I did. The only point at which he demonstrated a significant difference to the other Jedi was when he slughtered a bunch of helpless women and children.

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i meant were he leaped the full distance of the room to stop Dooku from cutting Obi Wan in two. if someone did that for me i might be inclined, when reminising about them , to say something positive about them later.

I still don't see how this makes him a 'cunning warrior'. All he managed to do was hold off Dooku for a few seconds until backup arrived, getting himself seriously injured in the process.

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considering the context the line was delivered in (a quick, two comment summary to  a son about his dead father), I doubt future audiences will question it.

You're probably right - they'll be too busy wondering why the hell Obi-Wan was describing him as 'the best star-pilot in the galaxy.' Unless we see evidence of this in RotS, which I doubt.
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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Posted 29 August 2004 - 08:10 AM

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Then, there is Episode II - which has, not just lightsaber duels but a lightsaber war - but even in this craptastic piece of crap they fail to shine. An army of Jedi appears late in the movie to rescue two jedi and a remote planetary senator from three stupid monsters. Then, into a crappy coliseum, two armies of droids are released, who encircle the jedi, and despite the fact that the Jedi are each their very own Spiderman, many of them are cut down by the stupid machine armies.


Correct. I always wondered about the Jedi tactics in that scene. I always assumed that jedi were pretty clever in battle. Especially when fighting non-sentients. "Everybody, jump down in the colluseum so we can let them easily surround us." But here, it's obvious Lucas wanted the "Oohs and Aahs, look at all the Jedi!"
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Posted 29 August 2004 - 10:45 AM

"A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the jedi knights....

... but to tell the truth, there weren't actually too many left. Most of them had already got themselves killed fighting an unintelligent droid army in a coliseum."

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Posted 29 August 2004 - 10:18 PM

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how does that count as being a 'cunning warrior'?


breaking it down, it involved bravery, skill, a bit of luck, as well as intelligence and cunning. Obi Wan, trying to provide a bit of comfort to Luke when telling him of his dead father, can be forgiven for not going into excessive, unecessary detail. "cunning warrior" is just the one facet of Anakins character that Obi chose to recall to Luke. that doesnt mean he wasnt also reckless, occasionally irratating and irrational and all those other things that make up the Anakin we know and love.

and if youre outnumbered a million to one, i dont care how skillfull you are, theres a good chance youll be killed. that Anakin survived at all is further proof of those traits i listed above.

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An army of Jedi appears late in the movie to rescue two jedi and a remote planetary senator from three stupid monsters.


they knew Dooku was trying to kick a war off. they went to stop him. sacrificing your life for the greater good seems like a heroic thing to do to me.

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You're probably right - they'll be too busy wondering why the hell Obi-Wan was describing him as 'the best star-pilot in the galaxy.' Unless we see evidence of this in RotS, which I doubt.



Sith will open with a good old fashioned space battle, so im guessing we'll see it there.

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Posted 29 August 2004 - 10:31 PM

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the Anakin we know and love.

Speak for yourself. There's nothing "loveable" at all about this whiny, bratty, petulant teenager. It's a sure sign of how UNlikeable the character is that people are looking forward to seeing him as Vader, instead of dreading it.
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Posted 29 August 2004 - 10:54 PM

if you think like that, you're in the minority in this forum i'm afraid.
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 12:09 AM

Ah, no. Most of us think like that, Jariten. Give me Vader rather than the Anakin of the prequels any day. Sure he's evil but he doesn't get on my nerves.
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 12:32 AM

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Ah, no. Most of us think like that, Jariten. Give me Vader rather than the Anakin of the prequels any day. Sure he's evil but he doesn't get on my nerves.

I am backing JYAMG here, too. I can't stand Anakin. In no place does he display the "cunning warrior" you guys talk about. He is just silly. His attempts at comic relief are silly.

And... sorry to bring this up... we don't see Vader in his sleep making meaningful noises. If I had taken any fancy to Anakin in the first place, this scene would have made me go off him in no time.
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 12:56 AM

Anakin has a lovability factor in the negative numbers. It's too bad we won't see that much of Vader in ROTS. It would be a refreshing change from what we've gotten and are going to get.

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he managed to survive when many others didnt. after watching AotC, did you still doubt that Anakin wasnt a special, gifted Jedi, a sigificant cut above the others?


He did nothing spectacular, nothing that really set him apart. He pulled a lot of stunts that screamed "look at me! I can do this!", but they did nothing to improve the Jedi's odds of survival, or give somebody a shot at Dooku or his henchmen/partners, or get the person he's charged to protect out of harm's way. Just at the scene of the crime again.
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 01:07 AM

You know, what Anakin really needs is a big T-Shirt with "I was there." written on it.
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 03:59 AM

i was trying to be funny back there with my Anakin comment...alas sad.gif
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Posted 30 August 2004 - 05:23 AM

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breaking it down, it involved bravery, skill, a bit of luck, as well as intelligence and cunning. Obi Wan, trying to provide a bit of comfort to Luke when telling him of his dead father, can be forgiven for not going into excessive, unecessary detail. "cunning warrior" is just the one facet of Anakins character that Obi chose to recall to Luke. that doesnt mean he wasnt also reckless, occasionally irratating and irrational and all those other things that make up the Anakin we know and love.

Sorry, I still don't see what jumping off a speeder has to do with being a 'warrior'. He certainly didn't show all that much skill or 'cunning' when he was actually fighting. I know you're pinning everything on RotS, but Anakin is going to have to improve a hell of a lot to even come close to Obi-Wan's description of him.
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The sandpeople had women and children. We know this because Anakin killed them how could he tell? The children might be smaller but I never saw a sandperson with breasts. Did they hike their skirts and show him some leg or something?

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Also, I can see the point of wanting to kidnap a human and use her as a slave, but they didn't. They tied her to a flimsy easel for a month. It's assumed they had to feed and give her water. What for? Was she purely ornamental? I can understand them wanting the droids, you can sell those for a lot of money, but a chick who's only skills are finding non-existand mushrooms and getting randomly pregnant, you're not going to get much.

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Posted 30 August 2004 - 09:46 PM

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and if youre outnumbered a million to one, i dont care how skillfull you are, theres a good chance youll be killed. that Anakin survived at all is further proof of those traits i listed above


jedi vs droids... a million to one.
even the phantom menace demonstrated the superiority of jedi to droids, in the opening sene.

i'm not a jedi, and yet i'm pretty confident that i would kick anikans ass!!! (no that's not a joke, i would kick his scrawny undisciplined ass all over the galaxy).
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Posted 01 September 2004 - 08:43 AM

the opening scene had 2 jedi against about 20 droids (if that) who were unprepared. there were thousands in AotC, including droidekas and those kick ass battle droids.
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Posted 01 September 2004 - 09:15 AM

At least we got to see the young Darth Vader goofing around riding on the back of a giant flea in a sunny meadow...A sequence I'd always longed for, and also a vital piece of character development. Very convincing CGI too.

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